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> Here, you've listed unambiguously subjective preferences and opinions, with not even a slight attempt to define objective criteria to support your point. Now

> Here, you've listed unambiguously subjective preferences and opinions, with not even a slight attempt to define objective criteria to support your point. Now you’re just being obtuse. Most of my comments were on a par with your own comments. In fact some of the comments you’ve just shared are literally just repackaging similar remarks I made about 2000! I’m honestly surprised you can’t see the irony in your comments. You’re literally applying a double standard where its “objective” it’s your judgement but anyone else’s judgement that disagrees with your own is subjective. I’ve got a fair amount more I’d love to discuss, but it’s probably better we just agree to disagree.

kennysoona 2y ago
> Now you’re just being obtuse. Most of my comments were on a par with your own comments. I strongly disagree. > In fact some of the comments you’ve just shared are literally just repackaging similar remarks I made about 2000! Except, the context matters, because 7 was a continue refinement of those things whereas things took a downturn other than that, meaing 7 was the peak, which is what is part of the justfiication. > I’m honestly surprised you can’t see the irony in your comments. Because I think it only exists in your perception. > You’re literally applying a double standard where its “objective” it’s your judgement but anyone else’s judgement that disagrees with your own is subjective. Not at all, I have repeatedly stressed that objective criteria should be fined and used. > ’ve got a fair amount more I’d love to discuss, but it’s probably better we just agree to disagree. I’ve got a fair amount more I’d love to discuss, but it’s probably better we just agree to disagree. Entirely up to you. I'll probably keep replying every time I see a reply. If you think we can have productive discussion, then I hope you would continue, if you think we are seeing things too differently and the discussion will devolve and not be productive, then I would hope you don't. I will note that in a recent, separate discussion you resorted to insults and vulgarity. If you think the same would occur in this discussion with me, knowing we disagree, then I would definitely ask that we just leave it here - but again, I will continue to reply to any messages received that I feel are misrepresenting anything or need what I consider correction.
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  > I will note that in a recent, separate discussion you resorted to insults and vulgarity. Hard disagree. I hadn’t clocked that you were the same person who was lecturing other people about the politics in their country while living in a different country. I remember from that conversation that you considered your own opinion irrefutable regardless of any evidence presented so it’s no surprise to learn here that you also consider your opinion to be objective and infallible. If I’d clicked you were the same person I wouldnt have bothered replying and just downvoted you like others had.
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    > > I will note that in a recent, separate discussion you resorted to insults and vulgarity. > Hard disagree. It's not a matter of opinion. You literally resorted to insults and vulgarity. Do I need quote your words back to you? > who was lecturing other people about the politics in their country while living in a different country. I No, I was someone pointing our your arguments were bad. Out of the two of us, I'm the only one who has lived in both countries, and my arguments were not fallacious. > I remember from that conversation that you considered your own opinion irrefutable regardless of any evidence presented This is certainly ironic given you engaged in whataboutism and your evidence was shown to be flawed for the points you were trying to make. > so it’s no surprise to learn here that you also consider your opinion to be objective and infallible. I think you are bad at reasoning your points and you ignore objective evidence. My opinion isn't infallible, but the reasoning and evidence to support it is better than what you are relying on to support yours. > If I’d clicked you were the same person I wouldnt have bothered replying and just downvoted you like others had. Funny, I suspected you only started the discussion you did because you had recognized I was the same person. But, whatever - let's just not engage with each other anymore? I'm here for productive discussion, if we are clashing to a point that isn't possible I would rather us just both avoid each other.
    - hnlmorg 2y ago
      I disagree on all of the above apart from > So let's just not engage with each other anymore?

kennysoona 2y ago

> Now you’re just being obtuse. Most of my comments were on a par with your own comments. I strongly disagree. > In fact some of the comments you’ve just shared are literally just repackaging similar remarks I made about 2000! Except, the context matters, because 7 was a continue refinement of those things whereas things took a downturn other than that, meaing 7 was the peak, which is what is part of the justfiication. > I’m honestly surprised you can’t see the irony in your comments. Because I think it only exists in your perception. > You’re literally applying a double standard where its “objective” it’s your judgement but anyone else’s judgement that disagrees with your own is subjective. Not at all, I have repeatedly stressed that objective criteria should be fined and used. > ’ve got a fair amount more I’d love to discuss, but it’s probably better we just agree to disagree. I’ve got a fair amount more I’d love to discuss, but it’s probably better we just agree to disagree. Entirely up to you. I'll probably keep replying every time I see a reply. If you think we can have productive discussion, then I hope you would continue, if you think we are seeing things too differently and the discussion will devolve and not be productive, then I would hope you don't. I will note that in a recent, separate discussion you resorted to insults and vulgarity. If you think the same would occur in this discussion with me, knowing we disagree, then I would definitely ask that we just leave it here - but again, I will continue to reply to any messages received that I feel are misrepresenting anything or need what I consider correction.

hnlmorg 2y ago
> I will note that in a recent, separate discussion you resorted to insults and vulgarity. Hard disagree. I hadn’t clocked that you were the same person who was lecturing other people about the politics in their country while living in a different country. I remember from that conversation that you considered your own opinion irrefutable regardless of any evidence presented so it’s no surprise to learn here that you also consider your opinion to be objective and infallible. If I’d clicked you were the same person I wouldnt have bothered replying and just downvoted you like others had.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  > > I will note that in a recent, separate discussion you resorted to insults and vulgarity. > Hard disagree. It's not a matter of opinion. You literally resorted to insults and vulgarity. Do I need quote your words back to you? > who was lecturing other people about the politics in their country while living in a different country. I No, I was someone pointing our your arguments were bad. Out of the two of us, I'm the only one who has lived in both countries, and my arguments were not fallacious. > I remember from that conversation that you considered your own opinion irrefutable regardless of any evidence presented This is certainly ironic given you engaged in whataboutism and your evidence was shown to be flawed for the points you were trying to make. > so it’s no surprise to learn here that you also consider your opinion to be objective and infallible. I think you are bad at reasoning your points and you ignore objective evidence. My opinion isn't infallible, but the reasoning and evidence to support it is better than what you are relying on to support yours. > If I’d clicked you were the same person I wouldnt have bothered replying and just downvoted you like others had. Funny, I suspected you only started the discussion you did because you had recognized I was the same person. But, whatever - let's just not engage with each other anymore? I'm here for productive discussion, if we are clashing to a point that isn't possible I would rather us just both avoid each other.
  - hnlmorg 2y ago
    I disagree on all of the above apart from > So let's just not engage with each other anymore?