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The price hike is the major turn off point. Even as a non Apple person I was on the verge of getting the new "SE" if it's in the price range of the old SE line

The price hike is the major turn off point. Even as a non Apple person I was on the verge of getting the new "SE" if it's in the price range of the old SE line up. But not for 600 USD, that's a bit too much.

philistine 2y ago
The budget iPhone is 900$ CAD. Let that sink in.
- DrBenCarson 2y ago
  Breaking news: Apple makes premium products
  - nobankai 2y ago
    [flagged]
asdff 2y ago
The market for a cheaper iphone like this has always been just buying a 4 year old phone for like $0-small few hundred from your carrier. Makes no sense for apple to push a new product in this segment when their own supply eats it. And all they really offer in the se is a new old iphone anyhow making use of old components they have spare inventory available or on order from their vendors remaining supply lines.
- seec 2y ago
  You are missing the point. These types of "budget" phones that Apple does are for people who can't/won't buy the flagship (because too expensive) but wouldn't buy something second-hand either. There are a LOT of people like that. It is not rational at all; they would rather buy something shittier for their money than get more value. My grandparents are like that. To buy in the second-hand market you need to have some knowledge about how phones compare in the first place, even if you use a platform that minimizes the risks. So, it's not the same market at all, and Apple is pushing their luck even more with a pricing way too high for what is essentially a 3 years old phones at best (the chip makes little difference to the typical user of these phones).
  - asdff 2y ago
    I'm not talking about second hand. I'm talking about new from the carrier old model phones. Here is the verizon page for iphone 14s they have, you can get them for 0 down 0 a month through some deal from the cell phone plan. Apple can't compete with free. https://www.verizon.com/smartphones/apple-iphone-14/ https://www.verizon.com/smartphones/apple-iphone-14/
    - fuomag9 2y ago
      I’ve never seen something like that here in Italy. Here you pay for both the phone AND the plan :(
      - asdff 2y ago
        When the iphone 1 came out on AT&T it was initially sold like that and basically no one had it. Everyone still used their free full keyboard phone with unlimited texting (another american only cellphone market concept that prevented whatsapp from ever lifting off the ground here). Once they got it off that deal and had it with multiple carriers that could offer a carrier subsidized phone, then the dam broke and basically everyone had an iphone or an android phone overnight (same carrier subsidized deals available there, usually better).
    - jval43 2y ago
      I only see plans with 65$/month for 36 months, so 2340$ over 3 years. Which is a lot of money. They even tell you what the actual rate is in the fine print. It's just priced in: 17.49$ over 36 months comes out to 629$. >Monthly payments shown are for customers who qualify to pay $0 Down, $17.49/mo. for36months; 0% APR. Retail Price: $629.99
      - asdff 2y ago
        A lot of people are eligible for carrier subsidized upgrades every few years as well. When I did this I could have gotten my SE2 for free from verizon from my plan. I chose to pay like $200 premium to get it with the highest storage sku. It isn't just verizon either. Here is metropcs offering free iphone 13s for new customers: https://www.metrobyt-mobile.com/cell-phone/apple-iphone-13 https://www.metrobyt-mobile.com/cell-phone/apple-iphone-13
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  The Pixel 'a' line has been very good at this, the current 8a is the best value of the whole Pixel lineup, and it's way cheaper than this 16e.
Synaesthesia 2y ago
Yeah Apple overcharges. The SE is downright crude by modern standards, no ways was it worth $430. This phone is at least modern, but it's not great value for money.
- tonyedgecombe 2y ago
  >no ways was it worth $430 It's worth what people are willing to pay and plenty of people valued it enough to put their hand in their pocket.
turtlebits 2y ago
You can easily pick up a used/refurb iPhone 15 for ~$500.
rs186 2y ago
As someone who uses Android as the main device, I have an iPhone SE as a backup phone when travelling. It is a nice phone by itself, and allows me to access Apple services in case I need to. When the time comes, I'll probably look for a used iPhone 14/15 instead of a new iPhone 16e. To much money for my purpose.
edm0nd 2y ago
Just buy a used unlocked phone off eBay. I've been sniping used Pixels off there for really good prices.

philistine 2y ago

The budget iPhone is 900$ CAD. Let that sink in.

DrBenCarson 2y ago
Breaking news: Apple makes premium products
- nobankai 2y ago
  [flagged]

asdff 2y ago

The market for a cheaper iphone like this has always been just buying a 4 year old phone for like $0-small few hundred from your carrier. Makes no sense for apple to push a new product in this segment when their own supply eats it. And all they really offer in the se is a new old iphone anyhow making use of old components they have spare inventory available or on order from their vendors remaining supply lines.

seec 2y ago
You are missing the point. These types of "budget" phones that Apple does are for people who can't/won't buy the flagship (because too expensive) but wouldn't buy something second-hand either. There are a LOT of people like that. It is not rational at all; they would rather buy something shittier for their money than get more value. My grandparents are like that. To buy in the second-hand market you need to have some knowledge about how phones compare in the first place, even if you use a platform that minimizes the risks. So, it's not the same market at all, and Apple is pushing their luck even more with a pricing way too high for what is essentially a 3 years old phones at best (the chip makes little difference to the typical user of these phones).
- asdff 2y ago
  I'm not talking about second hand. I'm talking about new from the carrier old model phones. Here is the verizon page for iphone 14s they have, you can get them for 0 down 0 a month through some deal from the cell phone plan. Apple can't compete with free. https://www.verizon.com/smartphones/apple-iphone-14/ https://www.verizon.com/smartphones/apple-iphone-14/
  - fuomag9 2y ago
    I’ve never seen something like that here in Italy. Here you pay for both the phone AND the plan :(
    - asdff 2y ago
      When the iphone 1 came out on AT&T it was initially sold like that and basically no one had it. Everyone still used their free full keyboard phone with unlimited texting (another american only cellphone market concept that prevented whatsapp from ever lifting off the ground here). Once they got it off that deal and had it with multiple carriers that could offer a carrier subsidized phone, then the dam broke and basically everyone had an iphone or an android phone overnight (same carrier subsidized deals available there, usually better).
  - jval43 2y ago
    I only see plans with 65$/month for 36 months, so 2340$ over 3 years. Which is a lot of money. They even tell you what the actual rate is in the fine print. It's just priced in: 17.49$ over 36 months comes out to 629$. >Monthly payments shown are for customers who qualify to pay $0 Down, $17.49/mo. for36months; 0% APR. Retail Price: $629.99
    - asdff 2y ago
      A lot of people are eligible for carrier subsidized upgrades every few years as well. When I did this I could have gotten my SE2 for free from verizon from my plan. I chose to pay like $200 premium to get it with the highest storage sku. It isn't just verizon either. Here is metropcs offering free iphone 13s for new customers: https://www.metrobyt-mobile.com/cell-phone/apple-iphone-13 https://www.metrobyt-mobile.com/cell-phone/apple-iphone-13
makeitdouble 2y ago
The Pixel 'a' line has been very good at this, the current 8a is the best value of the whole Pixel lineup, and it's way cheaper than this 16e.

Synaesthesia 2y ago

Yeah Apple overcharges. The SE is downright crude by modern standards, no ways was it worth $430. This phone is at least modern, but it's not great value for money.

tonyedgecombe 2y ago
>no ways was it worth $430 It's worth what people are willing to pay and plenty of people valued it enough to put their hand in their pocket.

turtlebits 2y ago

You can easily pick up a used/refurb iPhone 15 for ~$500.

rs186 2y ago

As someone who uses Android as the main device, I have an iPhone SE as a backup phone when travelling. It is a nice phone by itself, and allows me to access Apple services in case I need to. When the time comes, I'll probably look for a used iPhone 14/15 instead of a new iPhone 16e. To much money for my purpose.

edm0nd 2y ago

Just buy a used unlocked phone off eBay. I've been sniping used Pixels off there for really good prices.