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I'm sure Apple still pays patent licensing fees to Qualcomm even if Apple is now manufacturing their own modem.

GeekyBear 2y ago
In the past, Qualcomm was infamous for high licensing fees. However, part of the process of creating an open industry standard like 4G/5G is getting a legally binding commitment from the patent holders to license standards essential patents to all takers on "reasonable" terms. > If the patent holder refuses upon request to license a patent that has become essential to a standard, then the standard-setting organization must exclude that technology. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discriminatory_licensing https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discrimina... So Qualcomm is still entitled to some money, but not nearly as much as they made back when there was no legal restriction on what they could demand.
- uni_baconcat 2y ago
  And I noticed that Apple C1 skipped 3G network entirely. Only has 2G,4G and 5G support.
  - GeekyBear 2y ago
    I imagine the 2G network they are talking about is GSM, which is a 2G open standard created in the EU and used internationally. > It was first implemented in Finland in December 1991. By the mid-2010s, it became a global standard for mobile communications achieving over 90% market share, and operating in over 193 countries and territories. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM
  - kalleboo 2y ago
    The iPhone 16e Tech Specs page lists 3G (UMTS/HSDPA) support. It's missing CDMA, but they already dropped that way back with the iPhone 14 https://www.apple.com/iphone-16e/specs/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-16e/specs/ 5G NR (Bands n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n14, n20, n25, n26, n28, n29, n30, n38, n40, n41, n48, n53, n66, n70, n71, n75, n76, n77, n78, n79) FDD‑LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 66, 71) TD‑LTE (Bands 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 48, 53) UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz) GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
    - uni_baconcat 2y ago
      Yeah you are right. I checked the website again. The missing one is DC-HSDPA. I incorrectly think that is the entire 3G networks.

In the past, Qualcomm was infamous for high licensing fees. However, part of the process of creating an open industry standard like 4G/5G is getting a legally binding commitment from the patent holders to license standards essential patents to all takers on "reasonable" terms. > If the patent holder refuses upon request to license a patent that has become essential to a standard, then the standard-setting organization must exclude that technology. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discriminatory_licensing https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discrimina... So Qualcomm is still entitled to some money, but not nearly as much as they made back when there was no legal restriction on what they could demand.

uni_baconcat 2y ago
And I noticed that Apple C1 skipped 3G network entirely. Only has 2G,4G and 5G support.
- GeekyBear 2y ago
  I imagine the 2G network they are talking about is GSM, which is a 2G open standard created in the EU and used internationally. > It was first implemented in Finland in December 1991. By the mid-2010s, it became a global standard for mobile communications achieving over 90% market share, and operating in over 193 countries and territories. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM
- kalleboo 2y ago
  The iPhone 16e Tech Specs page lists 3G (UMTS/HSDPA) support. It's missing CDMA, but they already dropped that way back with the iPhone 14 https://www.apple.com/iphone-16e/specs/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-16e/specs/ 5G NR (Bands n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n14, n20, n25, n26, n28, n29, n30, n38, n40, n41, n48, n53, n66, n70, n71, n75, n76, n77, n78, n79) FDD‑LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 66, 71) TD‑LTE (Bands 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 48, 53) UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz) GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
  - uni_baconcat 2y ago
    Yeah you are right. I checked the website again. The missing one is DC-HSDPA. I incorrectly think that is the entire 3G networks.