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60hz is really taking the piss at this point, if they must reserve 120hz for the Pro line then the least they could do is use 90hz further down the stack.

bigstrat2003 2y ago
60hz refresh is totally fine, there's no reason to be salty about it.
- cptcobalt 2y ago
  Yeah, at this market tier 60Hz is a perfectly usable target.
layer8 2y ago
According to several supply-chain rumors, the iPhone 17 models will all have 120 Hz.
llm_nerd 2y ago
I have a Pro that I've set to only use 60 FPS (Accessibility / Motion / Limit Frame Rate). 120 FPS is ever so slightly smoother, but I would rather have the slightly better battery life disabling it. Among mainstream users, people just don't care and this isn't remotely the differentiator people seem to hold it as. Similar to the micro bezel fetish, these are spec-chaser points that certain manufacturers convince people are must haves. But they really aren't.
- enragedcacti 2y ago
  > Among mainstream users, people just don't care and this isn't remotely the differentiator people seem to hold it as. I agree that most users don't consciously care, but I think its definitely possible that it influences how fast the phone feels and could influence purchases if you are testing them side-by-side in a store. There is some anecdotal evidence to that in the fact that Google does the extremely scummy thing of locking their non-pro Pixels to 60Hz when in demo mode regardless of the refresh rate setting chosen in the OS.
jayrot 2y ago
The obvious problem with that is that 90hz is just as good as 120hz for 95% of people. (60hz is as good as 90hz for probably 70%)
- laweijfmvo 2y ago
  I had an iPhone 13 Pro before downgrading to the 13 Mini. One of the reasons I bought the Pro was for the higher refresh screen, and while it's obviously noticeable when using it, it's not something I've ever missed even once.
  - selectodude 2y ago
    I have the opposite issue - dragging my finger across a 60hz screen is immediately noticeable. I’m jealous of you.
    - seec 2y ago
      I don't think he says it's not noticeable but that it doesn't matter. I'm in the same boat; I can notice it but it doesn't make much difference for my phone use case so it's largely irrelevant. It really depends on what you are doing with your phone. In my point of view, the bummer is non LTPO display, preventing going down to 1hz which can save some battery if you use your phone for reading.
throitallaway 2y ago
Apple is the king us using old kit and marketing it as innovative. On the flip side, 26 hours of video playback on battery is crazy long, and 60Hz is a big contributor to that.
- artursapek 2y ago
  why? most videos are 30fps anyway. it's not like they're rendering 30fps videos at 120hz.

bigstrat2003 2y ago

60hz refresh is totally fine, there's no reason to be salty about it.

cptcobalt 2y ago
Yeah, at this market tier 60Hz is a perfectly usable target.

layer8 2y ago

According to several supply-chain rumors, the iPhone 17 models will all have 120 Hz.

llm_nerd 2y ago

I have a Pro that I've set to only use 60 FPS (Accessibility / Motion / Limit Frame Rate). 120 FPS is ever so slightly smoother, but I would rather have the slightly better battery life disabling it. Among mainstream users, people just don't care and this isn't remotely the differentiator people seem to hold it as. Similar to the micro bezel fetish, these are spec-chaser points that certain manufacturers convince people are must haves. But they really aren't.

enragedcacti 2y ago
> Among mainstream users, people just don't care and this isn't remotely the differentiator people seem to hold it as. I agree that most users don't consciously care, but I think its definitely possible that it influences how fast the phone feels and could influence purchases if you are testing them side-by-side in a store. There is some anecdotal evidence to that in the fact that Google does the extremely scummy thing of locking their non-pro Pixels to 60Hz when in demo mode regardless of the refresh rate setting chosen in the OS.

jayrot 2y ago

The obvious problem with that is that 90hz is just as good as 120hz for 95% of people. (60hz is as good as 90hz for probably 70%)

laweijfmvo 2y ago
I had an iPhone 13 Pro before downgrading to the 13 Mini. One of the reasons I bought the Pro was for the higher refresh screen, and while it's obviously noticeable when using it, it's not something I've ever missed even once.
- selectodude 2y ago
  I have the opposite issue - dragging my finger across a 60hz screen is immediately noticeable. I’m jealous of you.
  - seec 2y ago
    I don't think he says it's not noticeable but that it doesn't matter. I'm in the same boat; I can notice it but it doesn't make much difference for my phone use case so it's largely irrelevant. It really depends on what you are doing with your phone. In my point of view, the bummer is non LTPO display, preventing going down to 1hz which can save some battery if you use your phone for reading.

throitallaway 2y ago

Apple is the king us using old kit and marketing it as innovative. On the flip side, 26 hours of video playback on battery is crazy long, and 60Hz is a big contributor to that.

artursapek 2y ago
why? most videos are 30fps anyway. it's not like they're rendering 30fps videos at 120hz.