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Whoa, shipping their own baseband modem for the first time, skipping the Qualcomm tax. That's huge, even for Apple.

by mperham 2y ago

antithesis-nl 2y ago
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BrandonSmith 2y ago
I'm sure Apple still pays patent licensing fees to Qualcomm even if Apple is now manufacturing their own modem.
- GeekyBear 2y ago
  In the past, Qualcomm was infamous for high licensing fees. However, part of the process of creating an open industry standard like 4G/5G is getting a legally binding commitment from the patent holders to license standards essential patents to all takers on "reasonable" terms. > If the patent holder refuses upon request to license a patent that has become essential to a standard, then the standard-setting organization must exclude that technology. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discriminatory_licensing https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discrimina... So Qualcomm is still entitled to some money, but not nearly as much as they made back when there was no legal restriction on what they could demand.
  - uni_baconcat 2y ago
    And I noticed that Apple C1 skipped 3G network entirely. Only has 2G,4G and 5G support.
    - GeekyBear 2y ago
      I imagine the 2G network they are talking about is GSM, which is a 2G open standard created in the EU and used internationally. > It was first implemented in Finland in December 1991. By the mid-2010s, it became a global standard for mobile communications achieving over 90% market share, and operating in over 193 countries and territories. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM
    - kalleboo 2y ago
      The iPhone 16e Tech Specs page lists 3G (UMTS/HSDPA) support. It's missing CDMA, but they already dropped that way back with the iPhone 14 https://www.apple.com/iphone-16e/specs/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-16e/specs/ 5G NR (Bands n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n14, n20, n25, n26, n28, n29, n30, n38, n40, n41, n48, n53, n66, n70, n71, n75, n76, n77, n78, n79) FDD‑LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 66, 71) TD‑LTE (Bands 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 48, 53) UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz) GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
      - uni_baconcat 2y ago
        Yeah you are right. I checked the website again. The missing one is DC-HSDPA. I incorrectly think that is the entire 3G networks.
OptionOfT 2y ago
I'm interested to see how these perform at the edge of reception, which still is a massive drain. Before I had an iPhone with satellite reception, turning on airplane mode when hiking was essential for battery life. My current iPhone (and I had to check which one I have...) actually is much more sticky to satellite. It wont switch back to cellular immediately.
fionaellie 2y ago
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- skyyler 2y ago
  Until today I thought they were interchangeable spellings. I'm curious, is "woah" incorrect? If so, why?
  - quesera 2y ago
    Even as the instinctive prescriptivist that I am, I can't possibly get get worked up about permutations on onomatopoeia.
    - swores 2y ago
      Not even something like "woe" for woah, or "hmf" for hmph? :P
      - quesera 2y ago
        You raise good points. :) Actually I like "hmf" despite my usual distaste for the dilution of "ph" to "f". The "ph" in "hmph" seems incidental, so it does not trigger me, I guess! There is a highway sign somewhere on I-95 for "Fenix Ave", which took me a while to realize was a vicious act committed by illiterates against "Phoenix Avenue".
  - cptcobalt 2y ago
    Whoa is just older. https://www.dictionary.com/e/whoa-or-woah/ https://www.dictionary.com/e/whoa-or-woah/ Dictionaries are descriptive of actual use, not prescriptive rulings. Both spellings are completely valid, the pedantry is incorrect.

Whoa, shipping their own baseband modem for the first time, skipping the Qualcomm tax. That's huge, even for Apple.

antithesis-nl 2y ago

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BrandonSmith 2y ago

I'm sure Apple still pays patent licensing fees to Qualcomm even if Apple is now manufacturing their own modem.

GeekyBear 2y ago
In the past, Qualcomm was infamous for high licensing fees. However, part of the process of creating an open industry standard like 4G/5G is getting a legally binding commitment from the patent holders to license standards essential patents to all takers on "reasonable" terms. > If the patent holder refuses upon request to license a patent that has become essential to a standard, then the standard-setting organization must exclude that technology. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discriminatory_licensing https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discrimina... So Qualcomm is still entitled to some money, but not nearly as much as they made back when there was no legal restriction on what they could demand.
- uni_baconcat 2y ago
  And I noticed that Apple C1 skipped 3G network entirely. Only has 2G,4G and 5G support.
  - GeekyBear 2y ago
    I imagine the 2G network they are talking about is GSM, which is a 2G open standard created in the EU and used internationally. > It was first implemented in Finland in December 1991. By the mid-2010s, it became a global standard for mobile communications achieving over 90% market share, and operating in over 193 countries and territories. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM
  - kalleboo 2y ago
    The iPhone 16e Tech Specs page lists 3G (UMTS/HSDPA) support. It's missing CDMA, but they already dropped that way back with the iPhone 14 https://www.apple.com/iphone-16e/specs/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-16e/specs/ 5G NR (Bands n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n14, n20, n25, n26, n28, n29, n30, n38, n40, n41, n48, n53, n66, n70, n71, n75, n76, n77, n78, n79) FDD‑LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 66, 71) TD‑LTE (Bands 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 48, 53) UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz) GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
    - uni_baconcat 2y ago
      Yeah you are right. I checked the website again. The missing one is DC-HSDPA. I incorrectly think that is the entire 3G networks.

OptionOfT 2y ago

I'm interested to see how these perform at the edge of reception, which still is a massive drain. Before I had an iPhone with satellite reception, turning on airplane mode when hiking was essential for battery life. My current iPhone (and I had to check which one I have...) actually is much more sticky to satellite. It wont switch back to cellular immediately.

fionaellie 2y ago

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skyyler 2y ago
Until today I thought they were interchangeable spellings. I'm curious, is "woah" incorrect? If so, why?
- quesera 2y ago
  Even as the instinctive prescriptivist that I am, I can't possibly get get worked up about permutations on onomatopoeia.
  - swores 2y ago
    Not even something like "woe" for woah, or "hmf" for hmph? :P
    - quesera 2y ago
      You raise good points. :) Actually I like "hmf" despite my usual distaste for the dilution of "ph" to "f". The "ph" in "hmph" seems incidental, so it does not trigger me, I guess! There is a highway sign somewhere on I-95 for "Fenix Ave", which took me a while to realize was a vicious act committed by illiterates against "Phoenix Avenue".
- cptcobalt 2y ago
  Whoa is just older. https://www.dictionary.com/e/whoa-or-woah/ https://www.dictionary.com/e/whoa-or-woah/ Dictionaries are descriptive of actual use, not prescriptive rulings. Both spellings are completely valid, the pedantry is incorrect.