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No, not at all. I said OSes can be objectively measured, when you were pointing out that much of the measurement is subjective. I pointed out that is largely i

No, not at all. I said OSes can be objectively measured, when you were pointing out that much of the measurement is subjective. I pointed out that is largely irrelevant, since all that matters is they can be measured objectively, even if it's a discussion on how best to do that. You begrudgingly agreed. I simply stated W7 was the best without defining criteria, but did say I believe it would hold up against whatever objective criteria are established, and that there is already objective evidence in support of that point. Here, you've listed unambiguously subjective preferences and opinions, with not even a slight attempt to define objective criteria to support your point. For what it's worth, if you search 'best version of windows', pretty much every singles article ranking them is giving Windows 7 first. At the very least, it seems to be the majority opinion. I think the text from the Digital Trends article giving it first place is fair: "There’s an argument to be made that Windows 7 is a just a refined version of Windows Vista, released at a time when people actually had the kind of hardware that could run it properly. But this king of Windows releases did so much more than that. It was fast and responsive, with many important visual upgrades over previous versions of Windows. It had excellent compatibility, working with older hardware and software alike, and introduced important features which are still Windows mainstays today. It added pinning applications to the taskbar, introduced stacking Windows for better organization, let you preview windows with taskbar thumbnails, and it made it possible to snap Windows to different portions of the screen. Windows 7 is important for what it didn’t have, too. It feels like the last Windows operating system that was fast and modern, but hadn’t yet started chasing features designed for other platforms, like touch-targeted UI elements, or smart assistant integration. It didn’t have the Microsoft Store or overblown data collection, and there was no attempt to force you to use an online account to login. It was a clean, responsive operating system that many would likely continue to use today if it was still supported by Microsoft and modern hardware alike."

hnlmorg 2y ago
> Here, you've listed unambiguously subjective preferences and opinions, with not even a slight attempt to define objective criteria to support your point. Now you’re just being obtuse. Most of my comments were on a par with your own comments. In fact some of the comments you’ve just shared are literally just repackaging similar remarks I made about 2000! I’m honestly surprised you can’t see the irony in your comments. You’re literally applying a double standard where its “objective” it’s your judgement but anyone else’s judgement that disagrees with your own is subjective. I’ve got a fair amount more I’d love to discuss, but it’s probably better we just agree to disagree.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  > Now you’re just being obtuse. Most of my comments were on a par with your own comments. I strongly disagree. > In fact some of the comments you’ve just shared are literally just repackaging similar remarks I made about 2000! Except, the context matters, because 7 was a continue refinement of those things whereas things took a downturn other than that, meaing 7 was the peak, which is what is part of the justfiication. > I’m honestly surprised you can’t see the irony in your comments. Because I think it only exists in your perception. > You’re literally applying a double standard where its “objective” it’s your judgement but anyone else’s judgement that disagrees with your own is subjective. Not at all, I have repeatedly stressed that objective criteria should be fined and used. > ’ve got a fair amount more I’d love to discuss, but it’s probably better we just agree to disagree. I’ve got a fair amount more I’d love to discuss, but it’s probably better we just agree to disagree. Entirely up to you. I'll probably keep replying every time I see a reply. If you think we can have productive discussion, then I hope you would continue, if you think we are seeing things too differently and the discussion will devolve and not be productive, then I would hope you don't. I will note that in a recent, separate discussion you resorted to insults and vulgarity. If you think the same would occur in this discussion with me, knowing we disagree, then I would definitely ask that we just leave it here - but again, I will continue to reply to any messages received that I feel are misrepresenting anything or need what I consider correction.
  - hnlmorg 2y ago
    > I will note that in a recent, separate discussion you resorted to insults and vulgarity. Hard disagree. I hadn’t clocked that you were the same person who was lecturing other people about the politics in their country while living in a different country. I remember from that conversation that you considered your own opinion irrefutable regardless of any evidence presented so it’s no surprise to learn here that you also consider your opinion to be objective and infallible. If I’d clicked you were the same person I wouldnt have bothered replying and just downvoted you like others had.
    - kennysoona 2y ago

hnlmorg 2y ago

> Here, you've listed unambiguously subjective preferences and opinions, with not even a slight attempt to define objective criteria to support your point. Now you’re just being obtuse. Most of my comments were on a par with your own comments. In fact some of the comments you’ve just shared are literally just repackaging similar remarks I made about 2000! I’m honestly surprised you can’t see the irony in your comments. You’re literally applying a double standard where its “objective” it’s your judgement but anyone else’s judgement that disagrees with your own is subjective. I’ve got a fair amount more I’d love to discuss, but it’s probably better we just agree to disagree.

kennysoona 2y ago
> Now you’re just being obtuse. Most of my comments were on a par with your own comments. I strongly disagree. > In fact some of the comments you’ve just shared are literally just repackaging similar remarks I made about 2000! Except, the context matters, because 7 was a continue refinement of those things whereas things took a downturn other than that, meaing 7 was the peak, which is what is part of the justfiication. > I’m honestly surprised you can’t see the irony in your comments. Because I think it only exists in your perception. > You’re literally applying a double standard where its “objective” it’s your judgement but anyone else’s judgement that disagrees with your own is subjective. Not at all, I have repeatedly stressed that objective criteria should be fined and used. > ’ve got a fair amount more I’d love to discuss, but it’s probably better we just agree to disagree. I’ve got a fair amount more I’d love to discuss, but it’s probably better we just agree to disagree. Entirely up to you. I'll probably keep replying every time I see a reply. If you think we can have productive discussion, then I hope you would continue, if you think we are seeing things too differently and the discussion will devolve and not be productive, then I would hope you don't. I will note that in a recent, separate discussion you resorted to insults and vulgarity. If you think the same would occur in this discussion with me, knowing we disagree, then I would definitely ask that we just leave it here - but again, I will continue to reply to any messages received that I feel are misrepresenting anything or need what I consider correction.
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  > I will note that in a recent, separate discussion you resorted to insults and vulgarity. Hard disagree. I hadn’t clocked that you were the same person who was lecturing other people about the politics in their country while living in a different country. I remember from that conversation that you considered your own opinion irrefutable regardless of any evidence presented so it’s no surprise to learn here that you also consider your opinion to be objective and infallible. If I’d clicked you were the same person I wouldnt have bothered replying and just downvoted you like others had.
  - kennysoona 2y ago