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I've written about this before, but I too gave up on my Daylight - even though I truly love what they are trying to accomplish. I found it: - oddly heavy, the

I've written about this before, but I too gave up on my Daylight - even though I truly love what they are trying to accomplish. I found it: - oddly heavy, the Daylight is made of all plastic (body & screen) - yet it’s heavier than an iPad Air made from metal & glass. - handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence. I have to concentrate to ensure it’s keeping up with each letter I write. No such lag exists with my iPad Air. - no setup instructions or tutorial on its unique gestures. You boot it up and have to figure out how it works and getting it on WiFi - display resolution is much worse than I was expecting. - when using chrome, webpages render incredibly small. I’m having to constantly zoom in. There’s a setting in chrome about “desktop mode” but it made no difference. And I also wasn’t expecting to have to sign up for a Google account to even get Daylight OS/software updates. (Maybe I don’t but that’s what the Google App Store made it seem like). Wish I had read this review before I had bought it. https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/20/24201356/daylight-compute https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/20/24201356/daylight-compute... * Note: I truly love the idea of Daylight, and I hope they succeed. But in my mind, a considerable device improvement needs to be made to realize that vision. Until then, I’ll revert back to using my iPad Air (and now with nano-texture coming more broadly across Apple lines, Daylight is going to have that much more to overcome - because Apple is also cheaper product).

adolph 2y ago
From theverge review: the fact that I can slide my fingernail between the display and the case and literally pry the thing apart As long as it doesn't RUD, opening with no tools seems like a feature but the review reads like its a bug.
- tiffanyh 2y ago
  If the manufacture intends for you to separate the display from case, then it's a feature. If it's not intended, it's a fit & finish issue. I imagine it's not intended.
- JadeNB 2y ago
  > As long as it doesn't RUD, opening with no tools seems like a feature but the review reads like its a bug. What is RUD?
  - theodric 2y ago
    Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly, a rocketry euphemism for an explosion
    - JadeNB 2y ago
      That makes more sense. My brain immediately suggested R&D + FUD = Research, Uncertainty, and Doubt, which is a fair description of life in academia but didn't seem relevant here.
throw10920 2y ago
> handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence Oh, that's a deal-breaker for me. I currently have a Remarkable 2, and the handwriting latency is imperceptible - it feels like I'm writing with a physical pen. However, the latency of doing anything except writing is very high - it takes almost a second to undo/redo or open the pen palette, for instance. The advertised 60Hz display of the Daylight and the underlying Android platform (that makes it possible for me to write my own applications, something that is technically possible but difficult and unreliable on the RM2) made it sound like an upgrade, but if handwriting latency is bad enough that it doesn't feel like paper anymore, I think I'll stick with a combination of my RM2 and desktop. Theoretically this is something fixable in software (in which case I'm sold), but from what I've heard about Android, it's very much not latency-optimized in either the video or audio space.
- reissbaker 2y ago
  FWIW, I have both an RM2 and a DC1 and the handwriting lag feels similar to me on both (and quite perceptible on the RM2). YMMV.
  - throw10920 2y ago
    Either your RM2 has something wrong with it, or you're (enviously) sensitive to latency. Both the marketing team[1] and independent testing[2] show that latency is under 25 ms. That also doesn't seem consistent with GP post that "the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence" which shouldn't be in the same category as 25ms. [1] https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/What-s-the-difference-between-reMarkable-1-and-reMarkable-2 https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/What-s-the-differen... [2] https://youtube.com/watch?v=g34SVxTjGIA&t=3348s https://youtube.com/watch?v=g34SVxTjGIA&t=3348s
    - novok 2y ago
      I have an iPad Pro, daylight and remarkable 2. iPad Pro is definitely the fastest. The daylight and rm2 are slightly slower and I do notice it, but they are definitely fast enough. The RM2 is the slowest and that is just e-ink physics at that point. I was pleasantly surprised by the speed of the daylight when I used it. It's all lost on me although, since I don't really like pen input. I find the RM2 frustratingly slow for an epub e-ink reader. Compared to a kindle or others it's weirdly slow, even when pen input is fast. The daylight solves the outdoor computing problem for me.
dingnuts 2y ago
How well can you see the iPad Air when you're sitting outside? That's why I like my Daylight, for doing Duolingo (with handwriting to enhance memory formation) and reading Reddit/HN (in Firefox Mobile which doesn't have the problem you describe with Chrome) on my patio I've also found that my eyes are physically repulsed by the brightness of OLED displays after using my Daylight for a few hours indoors with the brightness down. It is much easier on my eyes and much less addictive / attractive than my phone. An iPad Air's screen is still going to hijack my dopamine system like my phone does. The Daylight doesn't. I bought a Daylight because I wanted a healthier device, and it delivered on THAT promise. But you're right, if you only have OLED Tablet use-cases, it's not an OLED Tablet, so an OLED Tablet is better for those things.

adolph 2y ago

From theverge review: the fact that I can slide my fingernail between the display and the case and literally pry the thing apart As long as it doesn't RUD, opening with no tools seems like a feature but the review reads like its a bug.

tiffanyh 2y ago
If the manufacture intends for you to separate the display from case, then it's a feature. If it's not intended, it's a fit & finish issue. I imagine it's not intended.
JadeNB 2y ago
> As long as it doesn't RUD, opening with no tools seems like a feature but the review reads like its a bug. What is RUD?
- theodric 2y ago
  Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly, a rocketry euphemism for an explosion
  - JadeNB 2y ago
    That makes more sense. My brain immediately suggested R&D + FUD = Research, Uncertainty, and Doubt, which is a fair description of life in academia but didn't seem relevant here.

throw10920 2y ago

> handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence Oh, that's a deal-breaker for me. I currently have a Remarkable 2, and the handwriting latency is imperceptible - it feels like I'm writing with a physical pen. However, the latency of doing anything except writing is very high - it takes almost a second to undo/redo or open the pen palette, for instance. The advertised 60Hz display of the Daylight and the underlying Android platform (that makes it possible for me to write my own applications, something that is technically possible but difficult and unreliable on the RM2) made it sound like an upgrade, but if handwriting latency is bad enough that it doesn't feel like paper anymore, I think I'll stick with a combination of my RM2 and desktop. Theoretically this is something fixable in software (in which case I'm sold), but from what I've heard about Android, it's very much not latency-optimized in either the video or audio space.

reissbaker 2y ago
FWIW, I have both an RM2 and a DC1 and the handwriting lag feels similar to me on both (and quite perceptible on the RM2). YMMV.
- throw10920 2y ago
  Either your RM2 has something wrong with it, or you're (enviously) sensitive to latency. Both the marketing team[1] and independent testing[2] show that latency is under 25 ms. That also doesn't seem consistent with GP post that "the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence" which shouldn't be in the same category as 25ms. [1] https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/What-s-the-difference-between-reMarkable-1-and-reMarkable-2 https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/What-s-the-differen... [2] https://youtube.com/watch?v=g34SVxTjGIA&t=3348s https://youtube.com/watch?v=g34SVxTjGIA&t=3348s
  - novok 2y ago
    I have an iPad Pro, daylight and remarkable 2. iPad Pro is definitely the fastest. The daylight and rm2 are slightly slower and I do notice it, but they are definitely fast enough. The RM2 is the slowest and that is just e-ink physics at that point. I was pleasantly surprised by the speed of the daylight when I used it. It's all lost on me although, since I don't really like pen input. I find the RM2 frustratingly slow for an epub e-ink reader. Compared to a kindle or others it's weirdly slow, even when pen input is fast. The daylight solves the outdoor computing problem for me.

dingnuts 2y ago

How well can you see the iPad Air when you're sitting outside? That's why I like my Daylight, for doing Duolingo (with handwriting to enhance memory formation) and reading Reddit/HN (in Firefox Mobile which doesn't have the problem you describe with Chrome) on my patio I've also found that my eyes are physically repulsed by the brightness of OLED displays after using my Daylight for a few hours indoors with the brightness down. It is much easier on my eyes and much less addictive / attractive than my phone. An iPad Air's screen is still going to hijack my dopamine system like my phone does. The Daylight doesn't. I bought a Daylight because I wanted a healthier device, and it delivered on THAT promise. But you're right, if you only have OLED Tablet use-cases, it's not an OLED Tablet, so an OLED Tablet is better for those things.