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The US stopped caring about truth, justice, and basic humanity. Caring about people is not in the cards at all.

by anon2549 2y ago

pstuart 2y ago
I was blessedly slow to learn this, but a significant chunk of the population is motivated by hate.
- scarab92 2y ago
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  - contagiousflow 2y ago
    What do you mean by "essentially religious reasons"
    - scarab92 2y ago
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      - dragonwriter 2y ago
        > Progressivism is really a form of religion, disguised as a political system. No more than all political (and otherwise ideological or values-based) systems are; there's no “disguise” in involved.
        s1artibartfast 2y ago
        I think this sentiment gets at a more interesting idea, which is the increasing convergence/conflation of government and society in the minds of participants. That is to say, government is the primary, if not only avenue for voicing and acting on personal/cultural values.
      - contagiousflow 2y ago
        Can you give me some examples of parallels? I'm not really seeing the equivalence?
  - krapp 2y ago
    So they became demons and proved the progressives correct. Or more realistically, they took the masks off. I've seen this argument a few times and the utter lack of self-awareness behind it always amuses me. It's literally the logic of comic book supervillains. "They call me a racist, so I'll became the most racist racist of all time, that'll show them!"
    - scarab92 2y ago
      Strawman. No one said anything about racism.
      - krapp 2y ago
        Not a strawman. Your thesis is that progressives "went around demonising everyone and everything," that includes racism and racists. And progressive anti-racism is a common source of contention right-wingers have about progressives, so it is also clearly relevant to the context of your comment. But feel free to substitute whatever progressive thing it is that progressives complain about that you prefer to wrap into the right-wing persecution complex, it's all the same. How about this, in general terms: "They called me x so I became x" isn't a reaction which people who don't already possess x as a trait generally have, for some anti-progressive values of x that include but are not limited to "antisemitic," "racist," "sexist," "fascist," "homophobic" or "transphobic."
  - quantified 2y ago
    You're getting downvoted, but I think that's sort of the same effect that you're describing. Demonizing (or behavior on that spectrum) isn't unique to any side. It draws one side together but repels rather than converts the other side. Not demonizing creates a lot of what is considered "PC speech". Which demonizing quotes from progressives do you remember hearing/reading? Not any vague retellings of something someone else heard. You do recall how Springfield immigrants' pet eating was not real.
    - pstuart 2y ago
      Downvoting is about strongly disagreeing with the parent's point. It is not demonizing. Hell, I got downvoted for suggesting that hate was a motivator for a subset of people. I'm sadly confident in that assessment but such is life on teh interwebs. There's very effective messaging that bends the perception of "progressive" values to be a literal attack on those who don't share those values. It's a strong disagreement and nothing more. I would be classified as a progressive (but it's not my identity) -- I don't hate people "on the other side". I have not-positive feelings about them (puzzlement, frustration, sadness, and unfortunately, fear), but hate is not part of that equation. One of the most frustrating things about this situation is that real dialog across the aisles is no longer possible. I could elucidate on why I think so but I don't need more angry downvotes today. Just note that the person you're commenting to will likely avoid sharing anything other than grievances.
      - quantified 2y ago
        I was asking for specifics because there may be some but I think it's mostly a sense that's just meme-ing around. Evidence is great.
- vacuity 2y ago
  It outwardly manifests as hate, but most people don't think of themselves like that. People generally view themselves as the star of the story. We have subcultures that make people drift towards certain beliefs and outcomes, all the while with those people largely being unaware of their course. You are noticing that there is a dominant subculture that indoctrinates with hateful beliefs.
- jrs235 2y ago
  >motivated by hate. motivated by the love of money, the root of all evil.

The US stopped caring about truth, justice, and basic humanity. Caring about people is not in the cards at all.

pstuart 2y ago

I was blessedly slow to learn this, but a significant chunk of the population is motivated by hate.

scarab92 2y ago
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- contagiousflow 2y ago
  What do you mean by "essentially religious reasons"
  - scarab92 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
      > Progressivism is really a form of religion, disguised as a political system. No more than all political (and otherwise ideological or values-based) systems are; there's no “disguise” in involved.
      - s1artibartfast 2y ago
        I think this sentiment gets at a more interesting idea, which is the increasing convergence/conflation of government and society in the minds of participants. That is to say, government is the primary, if not only avenue for voicing and acting on personal/cultural values.
    - contagiousflow 2y ago
      Can you give me some examples of parallels? I'm not really seeing the equivalence?
- krapp 2y ago
  So they became demons and proved the progressives correct. Or more realistically, they took the masks off. I've seen this argument a few times and the utter lack of self-awareness behind it always amuses me. It's literally the logic of comic book supervillains. "They call me a racist, so I'll became the most racist racist of all time, that'll show them!"
  - scarab92 2y ago
    Strawman. No one said anything about racism.
    - krapp 2y ago
      Not a strawman. Your thesis is that progressives "went around demonising everyone and everything," that includes racism and racists. And progressive anti-racism is a common source of contention right-wingers have about progressives, so it is also clearly relevant to the context of your comment. But feel free to substitute whatever progressive thing it is that progressives complain about that you prefer to wrap into the right-wing persecution complex, it's all the same. How about this, in general terms: "They called me x so I became x" isn't a reaction which people who don't already possess x as a trait generally have, for some anti-progressive values of x that include but are not limited to "antisemitic," "racist," "sexist," "fascist," "homophobic" or "transphobic."
- quantified 2y ago
  You're getting downvoted, but I think that's sort of the same effect that you're describing. Demonizing (or behavior on that spectrum) isn't unique to any side. It draws one side together but repels rather than converts the other side. Not demonizing creates a lot of what is considered "PC speech". Which demonizing quotes from progressives do you remember hearing/reading? Not any vague retellings of something someone else heard. You do recall how Springfield immigrants' pet eating was not real.
  - pstuart 2y ago
    Downvoting is about strongly disagreeing with the parent's point. It is not demonizing. Hell, I got downvoted for suggesting that hate was a motivator for a subset of people. I'm sadly confident in that assessment but such is life on teh interwebs. There's very effective messaging that bends the perception of "progressive" values to be a literal attack on those who don't share those values. It's a strong disagreement and nothing more. I would be classified as a progressive (but it's not my identity) -- I don't hate people "on the other side". I have not-positive feelings about them (puzzlement, frustration, sadness, and unfortunately, fear), but hate is not part of that equation. One of the most frustrating things about this situation is that real dialog across the aisles is no longer possible. I could elucidate on why I think so but I don't need more angry downvotes today. Just note that the person you're commenting to will likely avoid sharing anything other than grievances.
    - quantified 2y ago
      I was asking for specifics because there may be some but I think it's mostly a sense that's just meme-ing around. Evidence is great.
vacuity 2y ago
It outwardly manifests as hate, but most people don't think of themselves like that. People generally view themselves as the star of the story. We have subcultures that make people drift towards certain beliefs and outcomes, all the while with those people largely being unaware of their course. You are noticing that there is a dominant subculture that indoctrinates with hateful beliefs.
jrs235 2y ago
>motivated by hate. motivated by the love of money, the root of all evil.