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Heuristically the appliance of the covid vaccine caused more damage than it prevented. That's already a net negative on health ergo life expectancy, since many

Heuristically the appliance of the covid vaccine caused more damage than it prevented. That's already a net negative on health ergo life expectancy, since many of the side effects are not in the category of "what dosen't kill you makes you stronger".

happymellon 2y ago
> Heuristically the appliance of the covid vaccine caused more damage than it prevented. Do you have any citation for that?
- sharpshadow 2y ago
  No it’s an observation about the benefits the covid vaccine delivers of which literally just one is left and the vast number of side effects and mishaps which occurred on appliance, storage and production. Take into account that the left benefit protecting against a specific spike variation works only for this specific spike variation and when the virus mutates to another spike variation the necessity for the so called booster is given to gain the protection again. On every appliance increasing the risk of harm. This type of virus mutates frequently and a booster can only be created after the mutation happened, always delayed and only useful if no natural infection occurred previously with this specific spike variation. The appliance of a covid vaccine with a specific spike variation makes only sense if the natural infection could be so intense that one wants to avoid it and of course didn’t get it yet. Since this group of people was quite small there wasn’t the need to vaccine everybody in the first place and causing harm. All the damage people received and are still suffering from what a tragedy and then some lousy newspaper doesn’t want to address it, trying to pull some conclusions out of thin air, mis- and disinforming the people makes me sick.
  - happymellon 2y ago
    You keep using that word "harm". What harm are you referring to? If you don't have any citations to harm from the vaccines, you'll need to help me understand your concerns. We vaccinate against a lot of things that I am unlikely to catch, but that's mostly due to the hurd immunity, but also by being part of that protective barrier I have not then passed it on to more vulnerable people.
    - sharpshadow 2y ago
      Maybe if you haven’t been interested in this topic to research it for yourself I’m the wrong one to enumerate and cite various side effects. Life’s nicer I guess without this rabbit hole. Quite sure.
      - happymellon 2y ago
        There are a lot of "harms" that people seem to think there are. From the harm of a loss of liberty, to the harm that a handful of people may have had a reaction to one of the vaccines, which was >0.1% at my last look and it was generally from people who already had auto-immune disorders. The majority of the problems were misinformation based.
  - d1sxeyes 2y ago
    > some lousy newspaper doesn’t want to address it, trying to pull some conclusions out of thin air, mis- and disinforming the people makes me sick. Would you agree that from an outsider’s perspective, reading your thoughts here without citations and with a lot of wide-ranging assertions looks a lot like pulling conclusions out of thin air? If data exists that vaccinating resulted in more harm than good on anything other than a very small scale (e.g. only looking at folks that experienced an adverse reaction), I would imagine it would be very interesting to a lot of people, including me. Even if you are speaking purely anecdotally, myself, my immediate and extended family, all received at least three vaccinations, for a total of somewhere around 100 vaccinations, and none experienced side effects worse than a sore arm and a bit of a runny nose.

happymellon 2y ago

> Heuristically the appliance of the covid vaccine caused more damage than it prevented. Do you have any citation for that?

sharpshadow 2y ago
No it’s an observation about the benefits the covid vaccine delivers of which literally just one is left and the vast number of side effects and mishaps which occurred on appliance, storage and production. Take into account that the left benefit protecting against a specific spike variation works only for this specific spike variation and when the virus mutates to another spike variation the necessity for the so called booster is given to gain the protection again. On every appliance increasing the risk of harm. This type of virus mutates frequently and a booster can only be created after the mutation happened, always delayed and only useful if no natural infection occurred previously with this specific spike variation. The appliance of a covid vaccine with a specific spike variation makes only sense if the natural infection could be so intense that one wants to avoid it and of course didn’t get it yet. Since this group of people was quite small there wasn’t the need to vaccine everybody in the first place and causing harm. All the damage people received and are still suffering from what a tragedy and then some lousy newspaper doesn’t want to address it, trying to pull some conclusions out of thin air, mis- and disinforming the people makes me sick.
- happymellon 2y ago
  You keep using that word "harm". What harm are you referring to? If you don't have any citations to harm from the vaccines, you'll need to help me understand your concerns. We vaccinate against a lot of things that I am unlikely to catch, but that's mostly due to the hurd immunity, but also by being part of that protective barrier I have not then passed it on to more vulnerable people.
  - sharpshadow 2y ago
    Maybe if you haven’t been interested in this topic to research it for yourself I’m the wrong one to enumerate and cite various side effects. Life’s nicer I guess without this rabbit hole. Quite sure.
    - happymellon 2y ago
      There are a lot of "harms" that people seem to think there are. From the harm of a loss of liberty, to the harm that a handful of people may have had a reaction to one of the vaccines, which was >0.1% at my last look and it was generally from people who already had auto-immune disorders. The majority of the problems were misinformation based.
- d1sxeyes 2y ago
  > some lousy newspaper doesn’t want to address it, trying to pull some conclusions out of thin air, mis- and disinforming the people makes me sick. Would you agree that from an outsider’s perspective, reading your thoughts here without citations and with a lot of wide-ranging assertions looks a lot like pulling conclusions out of thin air? If data exists that vaccinating resulted in more harm than good on anything other than a very small scale (e.g. only looking at folks that experienced an adverse reaction), I would imagine it would be very interesting to a lot of people, including me. Even if you are speaking purely anecdotally, myself, my immediate and extended family, all received at least three vaccinations, for a total of somewhere around 100 vaccinations, and none experienced side effects worse than a sore arm and a bit of a runny nose.