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All of this talk of having to stop for gas instead of charging passively at each place you go sounds really strange. I really like EV’s, but the longer stop ti

All of this talk of having to stop for gas instead of charging passively at each place you go sounds really strange. I really like EV’s, but the longer stop times for when you do need to recharge a bit when you’re out are reasonable balanced against faster gas station stops especially outside of higher density infrastructure suburban/urban areas. The above sorts of comments ring in my ears along these lines: “Oh that 7 minutes of checking my email while I refill my tank was horrible. Leaving the house so much earlier if I hadn’t done it the day before was truly oppressive. And these days I luxuriate in those rare gifted 20 minutes of leisure when I choose to recharge my battery while on the go!” The range-recharge vs. gas station stops argument really seems pretty evenly balanced unless you don’t live where there is much charging infrastructure. Personally, my dream balance would be something that could go 50 miles on a charge but had an ICE tank that could take me 150-200 miles. That EV capacity would cover 95% of driving, and for most people I know without long commutes, and the other 5% would just mean I had to fuel up on both ends of a 3-4 hour drive instead of just once. Or every 3-4 hours instead of 6-8 of the extremely rare longer drives. Also for those, I’d have the 50mile EV range as backup for running out of gas, not to mention a massive mobile power bank to keep heat & phone battery going if I had a breakdown somewhere.

asoneth 2y ago
> “Oh that 7 minutes of checking my email while I refill my tank was horrible. Leaving the house so much earlier if I hadn’t done it the day before was truly oppressive. And these days I luxuriate in those rare gifted 20 minutes of leisure when I choose to recharge my battery while on the go!” Please avoid strawman arguments. If you're truly curious why some people prefer longer electric charging stops on road trips to shorter bi-weekly gas station stops: Even when not strictly necessary for refueling, my family takes a ~10 minute break after every ~4 hours of driving to let everyone stretch and use a restroom. No one has objected to extending these stops to ~15 minutes when we take the EV. The primary inconvenience has been that it has constrained where we stop, as many of our old stops do not have charging infrastructure. Whereas a refueling stop during a shorter trip (including running errands or during a daily commute) introduces an entirely new stop that serves no additional purpose.
- JackMorgan 2y ago
  As someone who takes several long road trips a year, it's wild to hear about only 10 minute breaks every four hours. My wife and I often do at least a ten minute break every 90 minutes! The idea of just grinding on and on for hours feels like torture. My car forcing frequent stops to charge sounds great! I'd go for a nice walk, maybe find a local eatery.
- ineedasername 2y ago
  There is a difference between a straw man and satire presented in a clear tone that cannot be mistaken as a reconstruction of the other person’s statements. A clearer straw man is the presentation of leaving a location a sparse few minutes earlier as significant cause and disproportionate offset of the also negligible time to pull a cable to a car to plug it in & briefly wrap & tuck it away when you leave. I also clearly do understand that people may not mind a longer stop: I didn’t contradict that sentiment directly and otherwise expressly stated the opinion that each option seems to have somewhat equal offsetting considerations.
  - asoneth 2y ago
    > There is a difference between a straw man and satire presented in a clear tone that cannot be mistaken as a reconstruction of the other person’s statements. You are correct, my apologies. However, it's unclear to me how satire is any more useful a contribution to this discussion.
    - ineedasername 2y ago
      I think there is potential for useful satire in nearly any conversation where teasing out nuances of opinion and meaning are also useful. It serves as a tool for highlighting and contrast by virtue of extremes or absurdity or surfacing of illogical reasoning.
    - genewitch 2y ago
      I was fine with the comment you are complaining about. Not everything is factional

asoneth 2y ago

> “Oh that 7 minutes of checking my email while I refill my tank was horrible. Leaving the house so much earlier if I hadn’t done it the day before was truly oppressive. And these days I luxuriate in those rare gifted 20 minutes of leisure when I choose to recharge my battery while on the go!” Please avoid strawman arguments. If you're truly curious why some people prefer longer electric charging stops on road trips to shorter bi-weekly gas station stops: Even when not strictly necessary for refueling, my family takes a ~10 minute break after every ~4 hours of driving to let everyone stretch and use a restroom. No one has objected to extending these stops to ~15 minutes when we take the EV. The primary inconvenience has been that it has constrained where we stop, as many of our old stops do not have charging infrastructure. Whereas a refueling stop during a shorter trip (including running errands or during a daily commute) introduces an entirely new stop that serves no additional purpose.

JackMorgan 2y ago
As someone who takes several long road trips a year, it's wild to hear about only 10 minute breaks every four hours. My wife and I often do at least a ten minute break every 90 minutes! The idea of just grinding on and on for hours feels like torture. My car forcing frequent stops to charge sounds great! I'd go for a nice walk, maybe find a local eatery.
ineedasername 2y ago
There is a difference between a straw man and satire presented in a clear tone that cannot be mistaken as a reconstruction of the other person’s statements. A clearer straw man is the presentation of leaving a location a sparse few minutes earlier as significant cause and disproportionate offset of the also negligible time to pull a cable to a car to plug it in & briefly wrap & tuck it away when you leave. I also clearly do understand that people may not mind a longer stop: I didn’t contradict that sentiment directly and otherwise expressly stated the opinion that each option seems to have somewhat equal offsetting considerations.
- asoneth 2y ago
  > There is a difference between a straw man and satire presented in a clear tone that cannot be mistaken as a reconstruction of the other person’s statements. You are correct, my apologies. However, it's unclear to me how satire is any more useful a contribution to this discussion.
  - ineedasername 2y ago
    I think there is potential for useful satire in nearly any conversation where teasing out nuances of opinion and meaning are also useful. It serves as a tool for highlighting and contrast by virtue of extremes or absurdity or surfacing of illogical reasoning.
  - genewitch 2y ago
    I was fine with the comment you are complaining about. Not everything is factional