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Except that oil and plastics are ultimately animal derived. I personally hate that the plastics industry has managed to greenwash and convince people of it bei

Except that oil and plastics are ultimately animal derived. I personally hate that the plastics industry has managed to greenwash and convince people of it being a "healthier better option" because of the Vegan label, while slowly suffocating and killing us all. The fact that Vegans (the Vegan community?) are fine with being co-opted with mass pollution, destruction of the environment, and sterilisation of the animal kingdom shows me how shallow their opinions are. Just look at the other comments here. We should be pushing for more sustainable solutions, not just any old thing just because it's not leather.

nkrisc 2y ago
> Except that oil and plastics are ultimately animal derived. While technically true, that has nothing at all to do with veganism. Even as someone with little interest in veganism I can see that.
dmbche 2y ago
Is there a single group that you can point to that are doing something right for you? It seems you are expecting vegans to manifest a fully integrated no-cruelty world instantly or they are all hypocrites.
- happymellon 2y ago
  > manifest a fully integrated no-cruelty world I don't expect the Vegan society to "manifest" anything. Only to advocate towards a better world, and I do not see how greenwashing plastics will fulfil that as ultimately I see plastics as detrimental towards life.
  - dmbche 2y ago
    Good luck in your future activism.
rsynnott 2y ago
> I personally hate that the plastics industry has managed to greenwash and convince people of it being a "healthier better option" because of the Vegan label, while slowly suffocating and killing us all. Plastics are, generally, _absolutely_ a cleaner option than leather. Leather tanning is a horrendously dirty industrial process, and particularly difficult to make clean. I mention it in another comment, but it's one of these industrial processes which is being wholesale evicted from the developed world, and may start to have serious issues in China too as China gets more serious on air and water pollution.
zihotki 2y ago
Not all plastics are animal derived. There are plant-derived plastics
yencabulator 2y ago
Oil comes largely from plankton, FWIW. Much of that was algae, some animals, some fungi. Coal and natural gas are almost purely fossilized plants. At some point, people picked up the simplified thinking that fossil fuel = dinosaurs, but the carbon-rich deposits are primarily from the Carboniferous period, at which point animal life was mostly invertebrates, fish and small tetrapods.

nkrisc 2y ago

> Except that oil and plastics are ultimately animal derived. While technically true, that has nothing at all to do with veganism. Even as someone with little interest in veganism I can see that.

dmbche 2y ago

Is there a single group that you can point to that are doing something right for you? It seems you are expecting vegans to manifest a fully integrated no-cruelty world instantly or they are all hypocrites.

happymellon 2y ago
> manifest a fully integrated no-cruelty world I don't expect the Vegan society to "manifest" anything. Only to advocate towards a better world, and I do not see how greenwashing plastics will fulfil that as ultimately I see plastics as detrimental towards life.
- dmbche 2y ago
  Good luck in your future activism.

rsynnott 2y ago

> I personally hate that the plastics industry has managed to greenwash and convince people of it being a "healthier better option" because of the Vegan label, while slowly suffocating and killing us all. Plastics are, generally, _absolutely_ a cleaner option than leather. Leather tanning is a horrendously dirty industrial process, and particularly difficult to make clean. I mention it in another comment, but it's one of these industrial processes which is being wholesale evicted from the developed world, and may start to have serious issues in China too as China gets more serious on air and water pollution.

zihotki 2y ago

Not all plastics are animal derived. There are plant-derived plastics

yencabulator 2y ago

Oil comes largely from plankton, FWIW. Much of that was algae, some animals, some fungi. Coal and natural gas are almost purely fossilized plants. At some point, people picked up the simplified thinking that fossil fuel = dinosaurs, but the carbon-rich deposits are primarily from the Carboniferous period, at which point animal life was mostly invertebrates, fish and small tetrapods.