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Ridiculous still no mentioned of the mammoth in the room. As some triple dose of modern vaccines in a short period of time must be ignored fanatically. It’s t

Ridiculous still no mentioned of the mammoth in the room. As some triple dose of modern vaccines in a short period of time must be ignored fanatically. It’s the food as anything changed significantly recently.

d1sxeyes 2y ago
This whole thing is a completely farcical article because: It’s nearly 5 years out of date. Life expectancy is still growing, just no longer at the rate it was. The rate of people stopping smoking has also reduced (as fewer and fewer people smoke). This “vaccines” thing would not have been included in the data which covers up to 2021 (or at least, any effect of vaccines would be lost in the data due to the fact COVID was still itself having a big impact on life expectancy).
- sharpshadow 2y ago
  The data for excess deaths during covid and during covid with vaccination is slowly available and we will be able to distinguish between the two. After all it’s clear to say that the covid pandemic with all its conditions and the covid vaccine in various ways both contributed towards a reduced life expectancy, denying that is just crazy in my eyes and leaving it out of the discussion is a crime against humanity.
  - d1sxeyes 2y ago
    Do you have any evidence that vaccines contributed to reduced life expectancy?
    - sharpshadow 2y ago
      Heuristically the appliance of the covid vaccine caused more damage than it prevented. That's already a net negative on health ergo life expectancy, since many of the side effects are not in the category of "what dosen't kill you makes you stronger".
      - happymellon 2y ago
        > Heuristically the appliance of the covid vaccine caused more damage than it prevented. Do you have any citation for that?
        sharpshadow 2y ago
        No it’s an observation about the benefits the covid vaccine delivers of which literally just one is left and the vast number of side effects and mishaps which occurred on appliance, storage and production. Take into account that the left benefit protecting against a specific spike variation works only for this specific spike variation and when the virus mutates to another spike variation the necessity for the so called booster is given to gain the protection again. On every appliance increasing the risk of harm. This type of virus mutates frequently and a booster can only be created after the mutation happened, always delayed and only useful if no natural infection occurred previously with this specific spike variation. The appliance of a covid vaccine with a specific spike variation makes only sense if the natural infection could be so intense that one wants to avoid it and of course didn’t get it yet. Since this group of people was quite small there wasn’t the need to vaccine everybody in the first place and causing harm. All the damage people received and are still suffering from what a tragedy and then some lousy newspaper doesn’t want to address it, trying to pull some conclusions out of thin air, mis- and disinforming the people makes me sick.
        happymellon 2y ago
        You keep using that word "harm". What harm are you referring to? If you don't have any citations to harm from the vaccines, you'll need to help me understand your concerns. We vaccinate against a lot of things that I am unlikely to catch, but that's mostly due to the hurd immunity, but also by being part of that protective barrier I have not then passed it on to more vulnerable people.
        sharpshadow 2y ago
        Maybe if you haven’t been interested in this topic to research it for yourself I’m the wrong one to enumerate and cite various side effects. Life’s nicer I guess without this rabbit hole. Quite sure.

d1sxeyes 2y ago

This whole thing is a completely farcical article because: It’s nearly 5 years out of date. Life expectancy is still growing, just no longer at the rate it was. The rate of people stopping smoking has also reduced (as fewer and fewer people smoke). This “vaccines” thing would not have been included in the data which covers up to 2021 (or at least, any effect of vaccines would be lost in the data due to the fact COVID was still itself having a big impact on life expectancy).

sharpshadow 2y ago
The data for excess deaths during covid and during covid with vaccination is slowly available and we will be able to distinguish between the two. After all it’s clear to say that the covid pandemic with all its conditions and the covid vaccine in various ways both contributed towards a reduced life expectancy, denying that is just crazy in my eyes and leaving it out of the discussion is a crime against humanity.
- d1sxeyes 2y ago
  Do you have any evidence that vaccines contributed to reduced life expectancy?
  - sharpshadow 2y ago
    Heuristically the appliance of the covid vaccine caused more damage than it prevented. That's already a net negative on health ergo life expectancy, since many of the side effects are not in the category of "what dosen't kill you makes you stronger".
    - happymellon 2y ago
      > Heuristically the appliance of the covid vaccine caused more damage than it prevented. Do you have any citation for that?
      - sharpshadow 2y ago
        No it’s an observation about the benefits the covid vaccine delivers of which literally just one is left and the vast number of side effects and mishaps which occurred on appliance, storage and production. Take into account that the left benefit protecting against a specific spike variation works only for this specific spike variation and when the virus mutates to another spike variation the necessity for the so called booster is given to gain the protection again. On every appliance increasing the risk of harm. This type of virus mutates frequently and a booster can only be created after the mutation happened, always delayed and only useful if no natural infection occurred previously with this specific spike variation. The appliance of a covid vaccine with a specific spike variation makes only sense if the natural infection could be so intense that one wants to avoid it and of course didn’t get it yet. Since this group of people was quite small there wasn’t the need to vaccine everybody in the first place and causing harm. All the damage people received and are still suffering from what a tragedy and then some lousy newspaper doesn’t want to address it, trying to pull some conclusions out of thin air, mis- and disinforming the people makes me sick.
        happymellon 2y ago
        You keep using that word "harm". What harm are you referring to? If you don't have any citations to harm from the vaccines, you'll need to help me understand your concerns. We vaccinate against a lot of things that I am unlikely to catch, but that's mostly due to the hurd immunity, but also by being part of that protective barrier I have not then passed it on to more vulnerable people.
        sharpshadow 2y ago
        Maybe if you haven’t been interested in this topic to research it for yourself I’m the wrong one to enumerate and cite various side effects. Life’s nicer I guess without this rabbit hole. Quite sure.