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But, vegans are people that don't consume any animal or animal derived materials. They don't use leather shoes, for example. I thought it was a good descriptio
by teekert 2y ago
But, vegans are people that don't consume any animal or animal derived materials. They don't use leather shoes, for example.
I thought it was a good description actually?
- mathieuh 2y agoThe problem is vegan is now a Bad Word. I no longer say I am vegan, I say "I don't consume animal products", which seems to get a better reception than "vegan". I wonder if using the word "vegan" will harm them in the long run from people who take pride in avoiding "woke" vegan things. A cursory glance at the right-wing tabloids in the UK will I think demonstrate that this is a real concern.
- teekert 2y agoI think you're just better of ignoring people that consider vegan a bad word, they're just a small group. We should not change word meanings for them. A word defines a thing or a concept. If it, by itself, elicits some emotional response, you loose some of my respect. I hope rationality wins in this regard. But it seems to be a growing battle.
- uxcolumbo 2y agoYep, Murdoch and friends have successfully managed to turn something positive into negative. Vegan just means trying to avoid / reduce harm to animals / environment where practically possible. It's pragmatic not dogmatic.
- Maken 2y agoPeople who consider "vegan" a bad word are neither going to seek a replacement for leather either nor buy an electric car, so I don't think it will harm their sales in any meaningful way. I find more problematic they call "leather" to something that is not leather at all.
- dmbche 2y agoWhat's problematic about it? Do you mind calling soy milk milk?
- happymellon 2y agoExcept that oil and plastics are ultimately animal derived. I personally hate that the plastics industry has managed to greenwash and convince people of it being a "healthier better option" because of the Vegan label, while slowly suffocating and killing us all. The fact that Vegans (the Vegan community?) are fine with being co-opted with mass pollution, destruction of the environment, and sterilisation of the animal kingdom shows me how shallow their opinions are. Just look at the other comments here. We should be pushing for more sustainable solutions, not just any old thing just because it's not leather.
- nkrisc 2y ago> Except that oil and plastics are ultimately animal derived. While technically true, that has nothing at all to do with veganism. Even as someone with little interest in veganism I can see that.
- dmbche 2y agoIs there a single group that you can point to that are doing something right for you? It seems you are expecting vegans to manifest a fully integrated no-cruelty world instantly or they are all hypocrites.
- happymellon 2y ago> manifest a fully integrated no-cruelty world I don't expect the Vegan society to "manifest" anything. Only to advocate towards a better world, and I do not see how greenwashing plastics will fulfil that as ultimately I see plastics as detrimental towards life.
- dmbche 2y agoGood luck in your future activism.
- rsynnott 2y ago> I personally hate that the plastics industry has managed to greenwash and convince people of it being a "healthier better option" because of the Vegan label, while slowly suffocating and killing us all. Plastics are, generally, _absolutely_ a cleaner option than leather. Leather tanning is a horrendously dirty industrial process, and particularly difficult to make clean. I mention it in another comment, but it's one of these industrial processes which is being wholesale evicted from the developed world, and may start to have serious issues in China too as China gets more serious on air and water pollution.