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I have one of these and I'm just about ready to give it away. The problem is it doesn't fit a use case that I don't have better solutions for. I've found that w

I have one of these and I'm just about ready to give it away. The problem is it doesn't fit a use case that I don't have better solutions for. I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books. I wanted to like the DC-1 but every time I use it something feels off. Maybe that's partly because I don't enjoy the Android experience.

rcarmo 2y ago
Well, I'm quite happy with the Supernote Nomad, but will gladly take the DC-1 off your hands if you want to because I would love a screen with faster refresh to run Obsidian locally :)
jmspring 2y ago
The android experience is off putting, that said I haven’t put much time into customizing or playing with my dc1 yet. I found the design poor - reminds me of a first gen iPad. Too much wasted real estate. I need to spend more time with it, but I still prefer my iPad Pro.
tiffanyh 2y ago
I've written about this before, but I too gave up on my Daylight - even though I truly love what they are trying to accomplish. I found it: - oddly heavy, the Daylight is made of all plastic (body & screen) - yet it’s heavier than an iPad Air made from metal & glass. - handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence. I have to concentrate to ensure it’s keeping up with each letter I write. No such lag exists with my iPad Air. - no setup instructions or tutorial on its unique gestures. You boot it up and have to figure out how it works and getting it on WiFi - display resolution is much worse than I was expecting. - when using chrome, webpages render incredibly small. I’m having to constantly zoom in. There’s a setting in chrome about “desktop mode” but it made no difference. And I also wasn’t expecting to have to sign up for a Google account to even get Daylight OS/software updates. (Maybe I don’t but that’s what the Google App Store made it seem like). Wish I had read this review before I had bought it. https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/20/24201356/daylight-compute https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/20/24201356/daylight-compute... * Note: I truly love the idea of Daylight, and I hope they succeed. But in my mind, a considerable device improvement needs to be made to realize that vision. Until then, I’ll revert back to using my iPad Air (and now with nano-texture coming more broadly across Apple lines, Daylight is going to have that much more to overcome - because Apple is also cheaper product).
- adolph 2y ago
  From theverge review: the fact that I can slide my fingernail between the display and the case and literally pry the thing apart As long as it doesn't RUD, opening with no tools seems like a feature but the review reads like its a bug.
  - tiffanyh 2y ago
    If the manufacture intends for you to separate the display from case, then it's a feature. If it's not intended, it's a fit & finish issue. I imagine it's not intended.
  - JadeNB 2y ago
    > As long as it doesn't RUD, opening with no tools seems like a feature but the review reads like its a bug. What is RUD?
    - theodric 2y ago
      Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly, a rocketry euphemism for an explosion
      - JadeNB 2y ago
        That makes more sense. My brain immediately suggested R&D + FUD = Research, Uncertainty, and Doubt, which is a fair description of life in academia but didn't seem relevant here.
- throw10920 2y ago
  > handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence Oh, that's a deal-breaker for me. I currently have a Remarkable 2, and the handwriting latency is imperceptible - it feels like I'm writing with a physical pen. However, the latency of doing anything except writing is very high - it takes almost a second to undo/redo or open the pen palette, for instance. The advertised 60Hz display of the Daylight and the underlying Android platform (that makes it possible for me to write my own applications, something that is technically possible but difficult and unreliable on the RM2) made it sound like an upgrade, but if handwriting latency is bad enough that it doesn't feel like paper anymore, I think I'll stick with a combination of my RM2 and desktop. Theoretically this is something fixable in software (in which case I'm sold), but from what I've heard about Android, it's very much not latency-optimized in either the video or audio space.
hedora 2y ago
Yeah; I was really excited about this, but then saw it ran android. Hard pass. I have an android tablet laying around, and never use it. A Linux version / polished installable rom would make it compelling for me, especially if it included stuff from the kindle jailbreak community. Other than that, the ability to ssh, a shell with apt or apk, running vs code, and a web browser would cover a big chunk of my daily driver requirements. Bonus points for docker.
- plipt 2y ago
  I have yet to use one, but have you heard of the Pinenote? Its a Debian Linux based e-ink tablet. It doesn’t look particularly premium, but it’s not android. There is a pressure sensitive stylus that comes with it as well. https://pine64.org/devices/pinenote/ https://pine64.org/devices/pinenote/ Not many reviews out there but here is a video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3trcI7MK4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3trcI7MK4U
- hatsix 2y ago
  What do you assume that a non-apple tablet runs, if not Android. Why would running Android be a surprise to you?
- 4k93n2 2y ago
  have you found much use for termux? i use it for quite a bit, running python scripts, yt-dlp and ffmpeg stuff. neovim. you cant run things like vscode but there is an app called andronix that lets you run a full linux os and then you remote into it from a browser. its probably clunky though
tombert 2y ago
Interesting; the reason I wanted one was specifically because I wanted to have an Android e-ink reader so that I could use the O'Reilly Learning app with an e-ink screen. The Kindle Fire screen is "fine", but the e-paper stuff always was nicer for me to read off of. I can't read my own handwriting anymore, so "real" paper is out of the question for me.
- dmicah 2y ago
  Also keep in mind that the Daylight doesn't have an e-ink screen like a Kindle. It is instead a grayscale transflective LCD. That is why it is able to have a high refresh rate like other LCD panels.
  - tombert 2y ago
    I did not realize that. I don't think I want that then. Maybe I should try out the remarkable.
    - zwayhowder 2y ago
      I use a Boox Note 2 almost daily for reading and regularly with a bluetooth keyboard for writing. It has a stylus, and the OCR is good enough for even my terrible handwriting (I should have been a doctor apparently) and I use that to scribble in the margin of PDFs etc. My setup uses Autosync [1] to synchronise a folder from my desktop to the device. On my desktop I have Zotero (a Citation library) and Calibre both configured to export to that folder (in subfolders). With two way sync my notes are back on my PC almost instantly which is fantastic. I also run Readwise and Obsidian on the Boox. 1: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.autosync https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.au...
      - tombert 2y ago
        > OCR is good enough for even my terrible handwriting Challenge accepted! I can't even read my own handwriting anymore, I would be incredibly impressed if an OCR can. It's sort of a feedback loop; my handwriting is bad, so I type everything, so I never use a pen, so I don't practice my handwriting, so my handwriting gets worse. As it stands, I don't think I've written anything with pen and paper (other than a signature) since ~2021? I've thought about picking up something in the Boox series but they've always been just a bit too pricey for me to justify; I'm afraid it would be yet another tablet thing that I use for a week and then just ends up collecting dust under my bed (of which I have a bunch).
ge96 2y ago
Semi-related: I had a Remarkable 2 and the best part of it for me was the texture writing. I decided to use a Surface Book 3 but the writing isn't the same... probably will try one of those textured surface cover things. E-ink is interesting as it's nice wrt long battery life but the slowness sucks too and this is not about the Android devices with an e-ink screen. RM2 you could program so that was cool.
- deinonychus 2y ago
  >I decided to use a Surface Book 3 but the writing isn't the same... probably will try one of those textured surface cover things. i totally recommend getting a textured screen cover if you can find one. i had one for my SP7 and it made sketching and annotating dramatically more tolerable - even pleasant. i was concerned it'd degrade stylus nibs more quickly but it wasn't a problem. colors were naturally a hair less vivid but it was acceptable and a good tradeoff for less glare in general and honestly i liked how it looked - it felt less like i was looking at a screen, if you know what i mean. in hindsight i think it's crazy that they sell these tablets with untextured screens/nibs. edit: this is off-topic but i enjoyed reading your bio. i hope you have a nice day.
jebarker 2y ago
> I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books. I had the same experience with Remarkable. I've found I'm much happier now that I bought a color laser printer and just print things I want to read! Similarly, I take all my notes on paper and have a sheet feed scanner for digitization
MPSFounder 2y ago
If you decide to give it away, I will happily pay for shipping. I could use it as a PhD student!
ChuckMcM 2y ago
I'm not sure I'm there yet (giving it away) but similarly annoyed by some of its teething pains. For me it seems to do all the things, and it runs longer than my iPad pro does on a charge (and like the OP author I suspect that is entirely because I run the display as near 0 brightness) I really appreciate using it as a writing device in portrait mode, something that I really wish the iPad pro could do with its "magic" keyboard. I continue to look for more intuitive drawing solutions. I also agree with the author that Android has that 'dos' feel of poorly bodged together hardware specific drivers/stuff and OS stuff. As a result it hasn't replaced my ReMarkable 2 like I thought it might, I'd really love the RM2 to have a higher refresh rate than it does alas.

rcarmo 2y ago

Well, I'm quite happy with the Supernote Nomad, but will gladly take the DC-1 off your hands if you want to because I would love a screen with faster refresh to run Obsidian locally :)

jmspring 2y ago

The android experience is off putting, that said I haven’t put much time into customizing or playing with my dc1 yet. I found the design poor - reminds me of a first gen iPad. Too much wasted real estate. I need to spend more time with it, but I still prefer my iPad Pro.

tiffanyh 2y ago

I've written about this before, but I too gave up on my Daylight - even though I truly love what they are trying to accomplish. I found it: - oddly heavy, the Daylight is made of all plastic (body & screen) - yet it’s heavier than an iPad Air made from metal & glass. - handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence. I have to concentrate to ensure it’s keeping up with each letter I write. No such lag exists with my iPad Air. - no setup instructions or tutorial on its unique gestures. You boot it up and have to figure out how it works and getting it on WiFi - display resolution is much worse than I was expecting. - when using chrome, webpages render incredibly small. I’m having to constantly zoom in. There’s a setting in chrome about “desktop mode” but it made no difference. And I also wasn’t expecting to have to sign up for a Google account to even get Daylight OS/software updates. (Maybe I don’t but that’s what the Google App Store made it seem like). Wish I had read this review before I had bought it. https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/20/24201356/daylight-compute https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/20/24201356/daylight-compute... * Note: I truly love the idea of Daylight, and I hope they succeed. But in my mind, a considerable device improvement needs to be made to realize that vision. Until then, I’ll revert back to using my iPad Air (and now with nano-texture coming more broadly across Apple lines, Daylight is going to have that much more to overcome - because Apple is also cheaper product).

adolph 2y ago
From theverge review: the fact that I can slide my fingernail between the display and the case and literally pry the thing apart As long as it doesn't RUD, opening with no tools seems like a feature but the review reads like its a bug.
- tiffanyh 2y ago
  If the manufacture intends for you to separate the display from case, then it's a feature. If it's not intended, it's a fit & finish issue. I imagine it's not intended.
- JadeNB 2y ago
  > As long as it doesn't RUD, opening with no tools seems like a feature but the review reads like its a bug. What is RUD?
  - theodric 2y ago
    Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly, a rocketry euphemism for an explosion
    - JadeNB 2y ago
      That makes more sense. My brain immediately suggested R&D + FUD = Research, Uncertainty, and Doubt, which is a fair description of life in academia but didn't seem relevant here.
throw10920 2y ago
> handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence Oh, that's a deal-breaker for me. I currently have a Remarkable 2, and the handwriting latency is imperceptible - it feels like I'm writing with a physical pen. However, the latency of doing anything except writing is very high - it takes almost a second to undo/redo or open the pen palette, for instance. The advertised 60Hz display of the Daylight and the underlying Android platform (that makes it possible for me to write my own applications, something that is technically possible but difficult and unreliable on the RM2) made it sound like an upgrade, but if handwriting latency is bad enough that it doesn't feel like paper anymore, I think I'll stick with a combination of my RM2 and desktop. Theoretically this is something fixable in software (in which case I'm sold), but from what I've heard about Android, it's very much not latency-optimized in either the video or audio space.

hedora 2y ago

Yeah; I was really excited about this, but then saw it ran android. Hard pass. I have an android tablet laying around, and never use it. A Linux version / polished installable rom would make it compelling for me, especially if it included stuff from the kindle jailbreak community. Other than that, the ability to ssh, a shell with apt or apk, running vs code, and a web browser would cover a big chunk of my daily driver requirements. Bonus points for docker.

plipt 2y ago
I have yet to use one, but have you heard of the Pinenote? Its a Debian Linux based e-ink tablet. It doesn’t look particularly premium, but it’s not android. There is a pressure sensitive stylus that comes with it as well. https://pine64.org/devices/pinenote/ https://pine64.org/devices/pinenote/ Not many reviews out there but here is a video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3trcI7MK4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3trcI7MK4U
hatsix 2y ago
What do you assume that a non-apple tablet runs, if not Android. Why would running Android be a surprise to you?
4k93n2 2y ago
have you found much use for termux? i use it for quite a bit, running python scripts, yt-dlp and ffmpeg stuff. neovim. you cant run things like vscode but there is an app called andronix that lets you run a full linux os and then you remote into it from a browser. its probably clunky though

tombert 2y ago

Interesting; the reason I wanted one was specifically because I wanted to have an Android e-ink reader so that I could use the O'Reilly Learning app with an e-ink screen. The Kindle Fire screen is "fine", but the e-paper stuff always was nicer for me to read off of. I can't read my own handwriting anymore, so "real" paper is out of the question for me.

dmicah 2y ago
Also keep in mind that the Daylight doesn't have an e-ink screen like a Kindle. It is instead a grayscale transflective LCD. That is why it is able to have a high refresh rate like other LCD panels.
- tombert 2y ago
  I did not realize that. I don't think I want that then. Maybe I should try out the remarkable.
  - zwayhowder 2y ago
    I use a Boox Note 2 almost daily for reading and regularly with a bluetooth keyboard for writing. It has a stylus, and the OCR is good enough for even my terrible handwriting (I should have been a doctor apparently) and I use that to scribble in the margin of PDFs etc. My setup uses Autosync [1] to synchronise a folder from my desktop to the device. On my desktop I have Zotero (a Citation library) and Calibre both configured to export to that folder (in subfolders). With two way sync my notes are back on my PC almost instantly which is fantastic. I also run Readwise and Obsidian on the Boox. 1: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.autosync https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.au...
    - tombert 2y ago
      > OCR is good enough for even my terrible handwriting Challenge accepted! I can't even read my own handwriting anymore, I would be incredibly impressed if an OCR can. It's sort of a feedback loop; my handwriting is bad, so I type everything, so I never use a pen, so I don't practice my handwriting, so my handwriting gets worse. As it stands, I don't think I've written anything with pen and paper (other than a signature) since ~2021? I've thought about picking up something in the Boox series but they've always been just a bit too pricey for me to justify; I'm afraid it would be yet another tablet thing that I use for a week and then just ends up collecting dust under my bed (of which I have a bunch).

ge96 2y ago

Semi-related: I had a Remarkable 2 and the best part of it for me was the texture writing. I decided to use a Surface Book 3 but the writing isn't the same... probably will try one of those textured surface cover things. E-ink is interesting as it's nice wrt long battery life but the slowness sucks too and this is not about the Android devices with an e-ink screen. RM2 you could program so that was cool.

deinonychus 2y ago
>I decided to use a Surface Book 3 but the writing isn't the same... probably will try one of those textured surface cover things. i totally recommend getting a textured screen cover if you can find one. i had one for my SP7 and it made sketching and annotating dramatically more tolerable - even pleasant. i was concerned it'd degrade stylus nibs more quickly but it wasn't a problem. colors were naturally a hair less vivid but it was acceptable and a good tradeoff for less glare in general and honestly i liked how it looked - it felt less like i was looking at a screen, if you know what i mean. in hindsight i think it's crazy that they sell these tablets with untextured screens/nibs. edit: this is off-topic but i enjoyed reading your bio. i hope you have a nice day.

jebarker 2y ago

> I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books. I had the same experience with Remarkable. I've found I'm much happier now that I bought a color laser printer and just print things I want to read! Similarly, I take all my notes on paper and have a sheet feed scanner for digitization

MPSFounder 2y ago

If you decide to give it away, I will happily pay for shipping. I could use it as a PhD student!

ChuckMcM 2y ago

I'm not sure I'm there yet (giving it away) but similarly annoyed by some of its teething pains. For me it seems to do all the things, and it runs longer than my iPad pro does on a charge (and like the OP author I suspect that is entirely because I run the display as near 0 brightness) I really appreciate using it as a writing device in portrait mode, something that I really wish the iPad pro could do with its "magic" keyboard. I continue to look for more intuitive drawing solutions. I also agree with the author that Android has that 'dos' feel of poorly bodged together hardware specific drivers/stuff and OS stuff. As a result it hasn't replaced my ReMarkable 2 like I thought it might, I'd really love the RM2 to have a higher refresh rate than it does alas.