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> "There is no comparison between left radicalization (rather small) and right radicalization (massive)." Oh no, you're totally right on that one there. The n

> "There is no comparison between left radicalization (rather small) and right radicalization (massive)." Oh no, you're totally right on that one there. The numbers of people going to those extremes are definitely far far higher on "the right" for sure. I just find it a bit "scary" that radicalization and extremism on either side is becoming so normal instead of a massive push-back against it. It's absolutely dangerous that society is coming to accept and support the sorts of extremism that they have in recent years / decades. This is not gonna play out well for humanity. :(

watwut 2y ago
My problem is that there is massive pushback - but only against left. Right keeps getting excused, euphemized away, explained and "they do not mean it". And what double annoys me that any centrist or leftist who correctly described what right wants and plans ended up labeled extreme left and dismissed. Except they were all right it turned out. I mean, I used to dismiss them too, but eventually figured the situation few years ago.
- blooalien 2y ago
  Yeah, I been watching it devolve bit by bit pretty near my entire life (at least the "aware" years of it). It's been pretty sad how mentioning it at all has (until recently) been met with derision and ridicule. "You're just being paranoid." Umm... No? I'm paying attention to the reality in front of me? "Paranoid" would be if there were no basis in reality for my concerns.
- dartos 2y ago
  That’s what cults do. Cultivate in-group bias so that any dissenting opinion are from people not in the know or who can’t be trusted. Works every time.
tutorialmanager 2y ago
From what I saw, a "massive" amount of the left had no problem with FBI agents repeatedly lying to the FISA court to get warrants to spy on the opposing parties presidential campaign. Everyone on both sides knows the other side is full of criminals so anything against them is OK. There is no good ending to this situation.
- intermerda 2y ago
  You're regurgitating a thoroughly bunked talking point. The "both sides" enlightened centrism serves exactly one side and you know which one it is.
  - cshores 2y ago
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    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      no idea why you are rejecting healthcare and social security, But power to you I suppose.
      - cshores 2y ago
        Social Security is a a scam. If individuals were allowed to keep their contributions and invest them in the stock market—for example, in index funds like VOO and chill then nearly every American could retire as a millionaire, making traditional 401k unnecessary.
        johnnyanmac 2y ago
        Okay, tell that to the 65+ demographic who were offered pensions and promises of a new deal from their parents. Stocks werent what they were back then before we surrendered our riches to billionaires. A pension was probably way safer than investing unless you already worked in the economic sector. I'm a millenial and was raised early expecting social security to run out by the time I retire. Not the first time society pulled the ladder up on me.
        cshores 2y ago
        It was the new deal democrats who stole riches from Americans to put in Fort Knox and foisted this scam on America. It has become a slush fund for the government with hundreds of crooks hands in the cookie jar. It needs to be dissolved, and those who will be worse off by investments will continue to get paid and those who would do better would have it privatized in a staged approach to its dissolution. Removing the parasites in DC by reducing most of the federal government and reducing military spending will help with allocating funds to assist with it's dissolution.
pjc50 2y ago
The difference is the alleged left extremists always turn out to be "some stoner on twitter/bluesky with a hammer and sickle emoji username, doing communist shitposting with no real power at all", while the right extremists have actual money, guns, and power. Then some centrist turns up to say that maybe annoying shitposters are the real threat, while the US sells out its European allies and dismantles its nuclear safety and pandemic infrastructure.
- suraci 2y ago
  'left' and 'right' are relative, depends on where you stand in my perspective, I can see DEI-right and MEGA-right it looks like: left ------------------------------------------------------ right commies------------------------------DEI---------------MEGA ---i'm here-------------------------you're here(I guess)-- DEI looks just fine to you, but to those who're 'right' enough, DEI is extreme left, commies are too far to see A one-dimensional political coordinate cannot accurately describe this situation, we need a compass
- ben_w 2y ago
  > The difference is the alleged left extremists always turn out to be "some stoner on twitter/bluesky with a hammer and sickle emoji username, doing communist shitposting with no real power at all", while the right extremists have actual money, guns, and power. As I think you've noted previously, there's a lot of guns in the USA. Luigi was one of four recent, last 12 months, people in the news whom I would count as… well, I'm not sure "left" is the right word, but more generically not-the-Right Americans with guns who I would categorise as an "extremist". (The other three being Matthew Alan Livelsberger (even if he only shot himself, given he also blew up the car he was in), Ryan Routh (golf course), and Thomas Matthew Crooks (ear)). Like you, I find it remarkable how the US has managed to combine the 2nd amendment and lots of school shootings with relatively little political violence. Like, why are their politicians more sacrosanct than their own kids? Why is the 2nd amendment sacrosanct even to politicians who get the dangerous end pointed at them?
  - dartos 2y ago
    School shootings are usually committed by children… children have little access to politicians and little interest in politics. > Why is the 2nd amendment sacrosanct even to politicians who get the dangerous end pointed at them? Sounds like a zinger, but isn’t really.

watwut 2y ago

My problem is that there is massive pushback - but only against left. Right keeps getting excused, euphemized away, explained and "they do not mean it". And what double annoys me that any centrist or leftist who correctly described what right wants and plans ended up labeled extreme left and dismissed. Except they were all right it turned out. I mean, I used to dismiss them too, but eventually figured the situation few years ago.

blooalien 2y ago
Yeah, I been watching it devolve bit by bit pretty near my entire life (at least the "aware" years of it). It's been pretty sad how mentioning it at all has (until recently) been met with derision and ridicule. "You're just being paranoid." Umm... No? I'm paying attention to the reality in front of me? "Paranoid" would be if there were no basis in reality for my concerns.
dartos 2y ago
That’s what cults do. Cultivate in-group bias so that any dissenting opinion are from people not in the know or who can’t be trusted. Works every time.

tutorialmanager 2y ago

From what I saw, a "massive" amount of the left had no problem with FBI agents repeatedly lying to the FISA court to get warrants to spy on the opposing parties presidential campaign. Everyone on both sides knows the other side is full of criminals so anything against them is OK. There is no good ending to this situation.

intermerda 2y ago
You're regurgitating a thoroughly bunked talking point. The "both sides" enlightened centrism serves exactly one side and you know which one it is.
- cshores 2y ago
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  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    no idea why you are rejecting healthcare and social security, But power to you I suppose.
    - cshores 2y ago
      Social Security is a a scam. If individuals were allowed to keep their contributions and invest them in the stock market—for example, in index funds like VOO and chill then nearly every American could retire as a millionaire, making traditional 401k unnecessary.
      - johnnyanmac 2y ago
        Okay, tell that to the 65+ demographic who were offered pensions and promises of a new deal from their parents. Stocks werent what they were back then before we surrendered our riches to billionaires. A pension was probably way safer than investing unless you already worked in the economic sector. I'm a millenial and was raised early expecting social security to run out by the time I retire. Not the first time society pulled the ladder up on me.
        cshores 2y ago
        It was the new deal democrats who stole riches from Americans to put in Fort Knox and foisted this scam on America. It has become a slush fund for the government with hundreds of crooks hands in the cookie jar. It needs to be dissolved, and those who will be worse off by investments will continue to get paid and those who would do better would have it privatized in a staged approach to its dissolution. Removing the parasites in DC by reducing most of the federal government and reducing military spending will help with allocating funds to assist with it's dissolution.

pjc50 2y ago

The difference is the alleged left extremists always turn out to be "some stoner on twitter/bluesky with a hammer and sickle emoji username, doing communist shitposting with no real power at all", while the right extremists have actual money, guns, and power. Then some centrist turns up to say that maybe annoying shitposters are the real threat, while the US sells out its European allies and dismantles its nuclear safety and pandemic infrastructure.

suraci 2y ago
'left' and 'right' are relative, depends on where you stand in my perspective, I can see DEI-right and MEGA-right it looks like: left ------------------------------------------------------ right commies------------------------------DEI---------------MEGA ---i'm here-------------------------you're here(I guess)-- DEI looks just fine to you, but to those who're 'right' enough, DEI is extreme left, commies are too far to see A one-dimensional political coordinate cannot accurately describe this situation, we need a compass
ben_w 2y ago
> The difference is the alleged left extremists always turn out to be "some stoner on twitter/bluesky with a hammer and sickle emoji username, doing communist shitposting with no real power at all", while the right extremists have actual money, guns, and power. As I think you've noted previously, there's a lot of guns in the USA. Luigi was one of four recent, last 12 months, people in the news whom I would count as… well, I'm not sure "left" is the right word, but more generically not-the-Right Americans with guns who I would categorise as an "extremist". (The other three being Matthew Alan Livelsberger (even if he only shot himself, given he also blew up the car he was in), Ryan Routh (golf course), and Thomas Matthew Crooks (ear)). Like you, I find it remarkable how the US has managed to combine the 2nd amendment and lots of school shootings with relatively little political violence. Like, why are their politicians more sacrosanct than their own kids? Why is the 2nd amendment sacrosanct even to politicians who get the dangerous end pointed at them?
- dartos 2y ago
  School shootings are usually committed by children… children have little access to politicians and little interest in politics. > Why is the 2nd amendment sacrosanct even to politicians who get the dangerous end pointed at them? Sounds like a zinger, but isn’t really.