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So what? If someone doesn’t want to use it, or doesn’t like it, or is, quite reasonably skeptical that “this time it’ll be different!” … let them be. If it’s

So what? If someone doesn’t want to use it, or doesn’t like it, or is, quite reasonably skeptical that “this time it’ll be different!” … let them be. If it’s good, it’ll stand on its own despite the criticism. If it can’t survive with some people disliking and criticising it is, it deserves to die. Right? Live and let live. We don’t have to all agree all the time about everything. uv is great. So use it if you want to. And if you don’t, that’s okay too.

hiAndrewQuinn 2y ago
Naive take. https://gwern.net/holy-war https://gwern.net/holy-war counsels that, in fact, becoming the One True Package Manager for a very popular programming language is an extremely valuable thing to aim towards. This is even outside of the fact that `uv` is backed by a profit-seeking company (cf https://astral.sh/about https://astral.sh/about). I'm all for people choosing what works best for them, but I'm also staunchly pro-arguing over it.
- noodletheworld 2y ago
  > becoming the One True Package Manager for a very popular programming language is an extremely valuable thing For companies. Which is why when random people start acting like it’s important, you have to wonder why it’s important to them. For example, being a corporate shill. Or so deep in coolaid you can’t allow alternative opinions? Hm? It’s called an echo chamber.
  - famouswaffles 2y ago
    Why on earth would it be only important for companies?
  - hiAndrewQuinn 2y ago
    >Which is why when random people start acting like it’s important, you have to wonder why it’s important to them. I don't use uv because I don't currently trust that it will be maintained on the timescales I care about. I stick with pip and venv, because I expect they will still be around 10 years from now, because they have much deeper pools of interested people to draw contributors and maintainers from, because - wait for it - they are really popular. Your theory about random people being corporate shills for anything they keep an eye on the popularity of can be explained much more parsimoniously like that.

hiAndrewQuinn 2y ago

Naive take. https://gwern.net/holy-war https://gwern.net/holy-war counsels that, in fact, becoming the One True Package Manager for a very popular programming language is an extremely valuable thing to aim towards. This is even outside of the fact that `uv` is backed by a profit-seeking company (cf https://astral.sh/about https://astral.sh/about). I'm all for people choosing what works best for them, but I'm also staunchly pro-arguing over it.

noodletheworld 2y ago
> becoming the One True Package Manager for a very popular programming language is an extremely valuable thing For companies. Which is why when random people start acting like it’s important, you have to wonder why it’s important to them. For example, being a corporate shill. Or so deep in coolaid you can’t allow alternative opinions? Hm? It’s called an echo chamber.
- famouswaffles 2y ago
  Why on earth would it be only important for companies?
- hiAndrewQuinn 2y ago
  >Which is why when random people start acting like it’s important, you have to wonder why it’s important to them. I don't use uv because I don't currently trust that it will be maintained on the timescales I care about. I stick with pip and venv, because I expect they will still be around 10 years from now, because they have much deeper pools of interested people to draw contributors and maintainers from, because - wait for it - they are really popular. Your theory about random people being corporate shills for anything they keep an eye on the popularity of can be explained much more parsimoniously like that.