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So disappointed by the irrational and hyperbolic comments from my fellow nerds. Why are folks reading into this so much!? Clearly folks aren’t actually reading

So disappointed by the irrational and hyperbolic comments from my fellow nerds. Why are folks reading into this so much!? Clearly folks aren’t actually reading the content and just reacting based on a headline. Read, contemplate, compose. This really shouldn’t be an inflammatory exec order - from what I can tell this is precisely within the purview of a POTUS and precisely in line with historical exec orders. Why the cray cray reactions? Just cause Trump I guess. For shame. Be nerds. Look stuff up. Stop with the hyperbolic “fascist” “coup” business. If you disagree with strategy, fine!! But at least recognize that these ideas aren’t new - nor fascistic - they’re inherently American and we’re in the midst of an adjustment cycle where these old ideals will be expressed in new modalities that we don’t all agree with. Doesn’t make it “fascist”. Ugh. So juvenile.

thiht 2y ago
This is not hyperbolic. In one month Trump has taken full unchecked power on almost anything. In 4 years, you won’t vote, that’s a given.
- scarab92 2y ago
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  - thiht 2y ago
    I hope so!
- blased 2y ago
  So when 4 years pass and we’re still voting, are you going to admit you are hyperbolic and divorced from reality?
  - intended 2y ago
    Would you be around if he does what he says ? At what point are your personal thresholds crossed? I dont understand personally, how any conservative could tolerate this man. Nor any techie lose their minds when someone without a security clearance gets access to sensitive national networks. I’ve seen more complex plans used by spies to break into state secrets. Yet, people are surprisingly chill. So perhaps I am wrong. And perhaps there are other signs I should be looking for. At what point should I or anyone say “major redlines have been crossed.”
    - blased 2y ago
      > Nor any techie lose their minds when someone without a security clearance gets access to sensitive national networks. There's something peculiar about how liberals are now so offended by "security" when the federal government has showed complete incompetence over the past decade or even more. All the security clearance data was leaked from federal servers. What else do we have to lose. Never mind that countless federal employees see your social security info. It's regularly fraudulently submitted by illegal foreigners too. None of the criticisms I've seen from you or others are alarming. What was alarming was watching Biden for 4 years completely non compos mentis and a media filled with liberals who would censor and ridicule ANY mention of this obvious fact. That's the GRAVEST national security threat, everything else PALES in comparison, and not a peep from the people who lit their entire political capital on fire over the ridiculous patently-false charades to never admit fault.
      - intended 2y ago
        Why are you dodging the question. I’m no longer playing ball with this idea that I will run after the next shiny object or gambit. What are your personal red lines? I am serious. Sure. Biden may have been whatever, But you will still have some personal lines you wouldn’t cross. You have values, you have things you would like to know you stood up for. What are they? This isn’t a gotcha. If you think the line is not crossed, no problem. But tell me what your lines are.
        blased 2y ago
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    - Nasrudith 2y ago
      The red line for Trump's people unfortunately isn't doing anything bad. He could shoot a man on fifth avenue and not lose them. It would take him doing something which shows actual human decency and actually helps people. If he attempted to create "Trump-care" providing unconditional healthcare for all he would be impeached and out on his ass. God forbid if he were to recognize LGBTQ rights and acknowledge their legitimacy, that action would literally kill people from shock.
  - thiht 2y ago
    Sure. As long as: - there are non Republican candidates to vote for - the right to vote hasn't been crippled somehow - elections are fair
    - blased 2y ago
      I guarantee this will be the case, as it's been the case every election since forever including 2020 when liberals were fear-mongering (like they always do) when they were out of power.
      - thiht 2y ago
        Was the Capitol incident fear-mongering too?
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - thiht 2y ago
        Funny that just a few hours after this post, Trump starts referring to himself as "the King" on social media. I wonder if it’s a hint of something, like the time he said people won’t need to vote in 4 years.
  - userbinator 2y ago
    I'm saving a link to your comment along with a reminder to check back in 2028.
    - blased 2y ago
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- bobsmooth 2y ago
  Republicans were saying the exact same thing when Obama was elected.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    That doesn't actually argue anything, though. One group can be wrong about something, and another group can be right about a similar thing in a different context and different time. (For the record, I don't agree with GP, and do believe that we'll have free and fair elections in 2028.)
piva00 2y ago
What's your personal threshold for gatekeeping when people are supposed to call it fascist? Have you done your nerd research on how Nazis dismantled the democratic state? If so, at what step would you have gatekept calling it fascist? Blanket calling worried people as "juvenile" as a dismissal is in itself pretty fucking juvenile, hope you can see that.
- scarab92 2y ago
  Progressives are using words like Nazi and fascist, purely as a slur against a political rival, without really understanding what those words mean nor the attrocities they represent. What the Nazi's did was horrifici, and it's incredibly insensitive, inappropriate, and, yes, juvenile, to water that down by using it for political point scoring.
  - Gigachad 2y ago
    What’s the threshold before you can say it? Doing nazi salutes and mass deleting the public research / books / info pages isn’t far enough yet?
    - scarab92 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - arlongparker 2y ago
        They’re literally erasing transgender people from all federal websites. Even going so far as removing the T from all LGBT references. If that’s not information control and erasure of humanity from these individuals I don’t know at what point you will draw the line.
      - deleted 2y ago
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    - lazide 2y ago
      I guarantee you’ll still be seeing people doing this long after Trump is dead. The point isn’t that there is an actual line. The point is that there IS NO actual line. The goalposts will shift forever.
conartist6 2y ago
Kushner said it best. "Noone goes as low as Trump." So you also get to deal with what politics looks like when it reaches its lowest, nastiest form. Trump's a hero to the right, but on the left there's a pretty reasonable sense that Trump's actions have already amounted to literal treason if you consider him to have an obligation to uphold the oaths he has taken. He attempted to get Zelensky to go on US TV and execute a political attack on Democrats as a condition of the US helping Ukraine. He attempted to get the 2020 election flipped by making mafia-don style calls to Georgia asking them to "find" precisely the number of votes which would have made him win that election. He next asked Pence to change the result for him. All of these were acts of open treason against the People of the United States, so long as you count the People of the United States as including people who didn't vote for him.
- conartist6 2y ago
  To make it crystal f**ing clear: him changing the policy of the US isn't treason. Cozying up to Russia or trying to reduce the size of the government are his prerogative as elected leader in a way that trying to change the result of an election is not. Ohh yeah and I forgot that he tried to get everyone to stop counting the votes while he was ahead! That also goes in the treason most foul bucket.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    > trying to reduce the size of the government are his prerogative as elected leader No, that function is within the purview of the legislature, not the executive branch.
Zamaamiro 2y ago
Rather than gesturing generally at all of these "irrational" and "hyperbolic" comments, why not take the time to thoughtfully rebut any specific comment that you believe is engaging in irrationality and hyperbole? I would also cool it with the dismissive tone and avoid saying things like "cray cray" before accusing anyone else of being juvenile.

thiht 2y ago

This is not hyperbolic. In one month Trump has taken full unchecked power on almost anything. In 4 years, you won’t vote, that’s a given.

scarab92 2y ago
[flagged]
- thiht 2y ago
  I hope so!
blased 2y ago
So when 4 years pass and we’re still voting, are you going to admit you are hyperbolic and divorced from reality?
- intended 2y ago
  Would you be around if he does what he says ? At what point are your personal thresholds crossed? I dont understand personally, how any conservative could tolerate this man. Nor any techie lose their minds when someone without a security clearance gets access to sensitive national networks. I’ve seen more complex plans used by spies to break into state secrets. Yet, people are surprisingly chill. So perhaps I am wrong. And perhaps there are other signs I should be looking for. At what point should I or anyone say “major redlines have been crossed.”
  - blased 2y ago
    > Nor any techie lose their minds when someone without a security clearance gets access to sensitive national networks. There's something peculiar about how liberals are now so offended by "security" when the federal government has showed complete incompetence over the past decade or even more. All the security clearance data was leaked from federal servers. What else do we have to lose. Never mind that countless federal employees see your social security info. It's regularly fraudulently submitted by illegal foreigners too. None of the criticisms I've seen from you or others are alarming. What was alarming was watching Biden for 4 years completely non compos mentis and a media filled with liberals who would censor and ridicule ANY mention of this obvious fact. That's the GRAVEST national security threat, everything else PALES in comparison, and not a peep from the people who lit their entire political capital on fire over the ridiculous patently-false charades to never admit fault.
    - intended 2y ago
      Why are you dodging the question. I’m no longer playing ball with this idea that I will run after the next shiny object or gambit. What are your personal red lines? I am serious. Sure. Biden may have been whatever, But you will still have some personal lines you wouldn’t cross. You have values, you have things you would like to know you stood up for. What are they? This isn’t a gotcha. If you think the line is not crossed, no problem. But tell me what your lines are.
      - blased 2y ago
        [dead]
  - Nasrudith 2y ago
    The red line for Trump's people unfortunately isn't doing anything bad. He could shoot a man on fifth avenue and not lose them. It would take him doing something which shows actual human decency and actually helps people. If he attempted to create "Trump-care" providing unconditional healthcare for all he would be impeached and out on his ass. God forbid if he were to recognize LGBTQ rights and acknowledge their legitimacy, that action would literally kill people from shock.
- thiht 2y ago
  Sure. As long as: - there are non Republican candidates to vote for - the right to vote hasn't been crippled somehow - elections are fair
  - blased 2y ago
    I guarantee this will be the case, as it's been the case every election since forever including 2020 when liberals were fear-mongering (like they always do) when they were out of power.
    - thiht 2y ago
      Was the Capitol incident fear-mongering too?
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - thiht 2y ago
      Funny that just a few hours after this post, Trump starts referring to himself as "the King" on social media. I wonder if it’s a hint of something, like the time he said people won’t need to vote in 4 years.
- userbinator 2y ago
  I'm saving a link to your comment along with a reminder to check back in 2028.
  - blased 2y ago
    [dead]
bobsmooth 2y ago
Republicans were saying the exact same thing when Obama was elected.
- kelnos 2y ago
  That doesn't actually argue anything, though. One group can be wrong about something, and another group can be right about a similar thing in a different context and different time. (For the record, I don't agree with GP, and do believe that we'll have free and fair elections in 2028.)

piva00 2y ago

What's your personal threshold for gatekeeping when people are supposed to call it fascist? Have you done your nerd research on how Nazis dismantled the democratic state? If so, at what step would you have gatekept calling it fascist? Blanket calling worried people as "juvenile" as a dismissal is in itself pretty fucking juvenile, hope you can see that.

scarab92 2y ago
Progressives are using words like Nazi and fascist, purely as a slur against a political rival, without really understanding what those words mean nor the attrocities they represent. What the Nazi's did was horrifici, and it's incredibly insensitive, inappropriate, and, yes, juvenile, to water that down by using it for political point scoring.
- Gigachad 2y ago
  What’s the threshold before you can say it? Doing nazi salutes and mass deleting the public research / books / info pages isn’t far enough yet?
  - scarab92 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - arlongparker 2y ago
      They’re literally erasing transgender people from all federal websites. Even going so far as removing the T from all LGBT references. If that’s not information control and erasure of humanity from these individuals I don’t know at what point you will draw the line.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - lazide 2y ago
    I guarantee you’ll still be seeing people doing this long after Trump is dead. The point isn’t that there is an actual line. The point is that there IS NO actual line. The goalposts will shift forever.

conartist6 2y ago

Kushner said it best. "Noone goes as low as Trump." So you also get to deal with what politics looks like when it reaches its lowest, nastiest form. Trump's a hero to the right, but on the left there's a pretty reasonable sense that Trump's actions have already amounted to literal treason if you consider him to have an obligation to uphold the oaths he has taken. He attempted to get Zelensky to go on US TV and execute a political attack on Democrats as a condition of the US helping Ukraine. He attempted to get the 2020 election flipped by making mafia-don style calls to Georgia asking them to "find" precisely the number of votes which would have made him win that election. He next asked Pence to change the result for him. All of these were acts of open treason against the People of the United States, so long as you count the People of the United States as including people who didn't vote for him.

conartist6 2y ago
To make it crystal f**ing clear: him changing the policy of the US isn't treason. Cozying up to Russia or trying to reduce the size of the government are his prerogative as elected leader in a way that trying to change the result of an election is not. Ohh yeah and I forgot that he tried to get everyone to stop counting the votes while he was ahead! That also goes in the treason most foul bucket.
- kelnos 2y ago
  > trying to reduce the size of the government are his prerogative as elected leader No, that function is within the purview of the legislature, not the executive branch.

Zamaamiro 2y ago

Rather than gesturing generally at all of these "irrational" and "hyperbolic" comments, why not take the time to thoughtfully rebut any specific comment that you believe is engaging in irrationality and hyperbole? I would also cool it with the dismissive tone and avoid saying things like "cray cray" before accusing anyone else of being juvenile.