4 ms·

> nobody in Europe seems to take lead paint seriously Do you live in an older property or do you think there might be a significant amount of lead-containing p

> nobody in Europe seems to take lead paint seriously Do you live in an older property or do you think there might be a significant amount of lead-containing paint in your living/working environment? (Not suggesting lead isn't a problem, but I've dealt with a bunch of much, much more toxic substances [full disclosure: PhD Chem]) FWIW, the UK banned lead paint over 30 years ago, lead water pipes 55 years ago, and leaded petrol 25 years ago. There's a paper suggesting lead pollution may be approaching natural background levels https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i40/Lead-pollution-approaches-natural-background.html https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i40/Lead-pollution-approache...

deleted 2y ago
[deleted]
CalRobert 2y ago
Yes, and we owned a 200 year old cottage in Ireland that definitely had leaded paint, and I needed to take paint chips and mail them to the US to get them tested because nobody in Ireland took me seriously. I had a newborn at the time, too.
- logifail 2y ago
  > we owned a 200 year old cottage in Ireland that definitely had leaded paint [..] I had a newborn at the time, too Not a great combo. "In the home, lead pipes, red lead paint on metal work, leaded paint on windowsills, bannisters, door frames and doors can still exist. Lead paint was common before the 1970s and although lead paint has not been used after 1992, prior to this UK paint may have contained up to 50% lead by weight (500,000 mg/kg), which is potentially capable of causing lead poisoning in a small child if they eat just a single flake. Leaded paint at these concentrations may still be found in non-remediated Victorian properties, often below newer non-leaded paint." https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lead-poisoning-advice-for-the-public-and-healthcare-professionals/lead-information-for-the-public https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lead-poisoning-ad... and https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lead-exposure-in-children-surveillance-reports-from-2021/lead-exposure-in-children-surveillance-system-leicss-annual-report-2023 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lead-exposure-in-... Although one shouldn't underestimate potential lead contamination in soils, too. As an undergrad I recall doing a lab in which we had to look for heavy metal contamination in the soil in a nearby public park, starting at the edge of the park right next to a busy road, and then taking samples towards the centre of the park. Unsurprisingly there was measurably higher contamination close to the road, falling away with distance from the road.
- DANmode 2y ago
  Nobody there will be wanting to tell ye about mycotoxins produced by water-damaged building materials over 35%-50% indoor humidity, either.
  - CalRobert 2y ago
    We did a lot to address that issue, at least.
    - DANmode 2y ago
      For the reader: can only replace the building materials, or move, to address this issue.
  - someothherguyy 2y ago
    Because there is no evidence that they harm the majority of people in real environments? That is, they typically never reach concentrations high enough to be a concern.
    - DANmode 2y ago
      Good luck.
- throwway120385 2y ago
  You could probably mitigate that with an oil-based primer and then oil- or water-based topcoats depending on the compatibility of the primer. I've gotten good adhesion on old oil-based paints just washing them with TSP substitute and then priming over the top without scuff-sanding.

deleted 2y ago

[deleted]

CalRobert 2y ago

Yes, and we owned a 200 year old cottage in Ireland that definitely had leaded paint, and I needed to take paint chips and mail them to the US to get them tested because nobody in Ireland took me seriously. I had a newborn at the time, too.

logifail 2y ago
> we owned a 200 year old cottage in Ireland that definitely had leaded paint [..] I had a newborn at the time, too Not a great combo. "In the home, lead pipes, red lead paint on metal work, leaded paint on windowsills, bannisters, door frames and doors can still exist. Lead paint was common before the 1970s and although lead paint has not been used after 1992, prior to this UK paint may have contained up to 50% lead by weight (500,000 mg/kg), which is potentially capable of causing lead poisoning in a small child if they eat just a single flake. Leaded paint at these concentrations may still be found in non-remediated Victorian properties, often below newer non-leaded paint." https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lead-poisoning-advice-for-the-public-and-healthcare-professionals/lead-information-for-the-public https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lead-poisoning-ad... and https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lead-exposure-in-children-surveillance-reports-from-2021/lead-exposure-in-children-surveillance-system-leicss-annual-report-2023 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lead-exposure-in-... Although one shouldn't underestimate potential lead contamination in soils, too. As an undergrad I recall doing a lab in which we had to look for heavy metal contamination in the soil in a nearby public park, starting at the edge of the park right next to a busy road, and then taking samples towards the centre of the park. Unsurprisingly there was measurably higher contamination close to the road, falling away with distance from the road.
DANmode 2y ago
Nobody there will be wanting to tell ye about mycotoxins produced by water-damaged building materials over 35%-50% indoor humidity, either.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  We did a lot to address that issue, at least.
  - DANmode 2y ago
    For the reader: can only replace the building materials, or move, to address this issue.
- someothherguyy 2y ago
  Because there is no evidence that they harm the majority of people in real environments? That is, they typically never reach concentrations high enough to be a concern.
  - DANmode 2y ago
    Good luck.
throwway120385 2y ago
You could probably mitigate that with an oil-based primer and then oil- or water-based topcoats depending on the compatibility of the primer. I've gotten good adhesion on old oil-based paints just washing them with TSP substitute and then priming over the top without scuff-sanding.