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Thoughts on Daylight Computer

294 points by 3r7j6qzi9jvnve 2y ago

3r7j6qzi9jvnve 2y ago
(not mine) was just checking what became of them and this review hit home I have no use for an android tablet like this, but as soon as they make a PC screen (either laptop or desktop) I'm pretty sure I'd buy one fast! Keep it up folks!
- spondylosaurus 2y ago
  I turned my Daylight into a PC screen using this app, which worked like a charm: https://superdisplay.app/ https://superdisplay.app/
  - krupan 2y ago
    That only works with Windows?
    - 3r7j6qzi9jvnve 2y ago
      There seem to be equivalent for linux (not tested) https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-tablet-or-phone-second-monitor-linux https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-tablet-or-phone-seco... That's an interesting idea! I'm a bit wary of latency if this all goes over wifi, but probably worth a try.
- 3r7j6qzi9jvnve 2y ago
  While I was looking up such screens, these also seem to sell "quick refresh" PC screens: https://shop.dasung.com/ https://shop.dasung.com/ Just did a quick search on HN and while it did get posted recent ones didn't get many comments, not many users perhaps? I'd be greedy and wish there was something in the middle (13 is tiny for desktop but there's no battery so it's not really laptop friendly; 25 is a bit too big for my desk), but perhaps...
  - DecentShoes 2y ago
    The Dasung monitors are cool, but those are actual Eink, whereas the Daylight tablet is LCD, so you'll have a wildly different experience between the two. There's a reflective lcd subreddit that discusses reflective lcd pc monitors, looks like at least one company is launching a commercial product soon.
    - dredmorbius 2y ago
      Are you aware of any specific direct comparisons? Video of same would be particularly illuminating, I think.
  - bpye 2y ago
    I really hope to Modos e-ink display works out - https://www.crowdsupply.com/modos-tech/modos-paper-monitor https://www.crowdsupply.com/modos-tech/modos-paper-monitor They have their own FPGA based controller to enable much higher refresh rates and lower latency.
- layer8 2y ago
  There is https://eazeye.com/ https://eazeye.com/.
  - WillAdams 2y ago
    If it were some more reasonable spec than 24" 1920 x 1080 I would be far more interested.
    - layer8 2y ago
      It’s a hen and egg problem. There is little investment in the technology, because few people buy it. That being said, Full HD at that size (and even at 27”) is still a fairly common resolution on the desktop.
      - hedora 2y ago
        It is still common, but there’s a reason that it only shows up on landfill-ready devices (unless you count high hz gaming monitors).
abdullahkhalids 2y ago
About 9 months ago, they promised that they will unlock the bootloader so one can install and run linux on it [1]. Hoping this happens soon. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40459958 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40459958
- plagiarist 2y ago
  I would buy one if this comes to fruition.
  - _nkl1 2y ago
    not an expert, but i think that’s already available? https://www.daylighthacker.wiki/unlock https://www.daylighthacker.wiki/unlock
    - plagiarist 2y ago
      Oh, interesting! I'll have to check into what the state of Linux on these are.
- 3r7j6qzi9jvnve 2y ago
  Unlocking the bootloader by itself is allowed apparently: https://www.daylighthacker.wiki/unlock https://www.daylighthacker.wiki/unlock The problem is that in order to run linux you'll probably want a kernel with quite a few patches and their DTS, and I haven't found anything for this yet. Android is almost linux so with a bit of effort it's probably not unreachable, but I don't quite have the time for this yet... If someone does it then Linux with an external keyboard would probably work for me as well, there was someone who did it with the remarkable (it's already linux but they ran standard X11 on it), but the refresh rate was a bit too sluggish, something like the daylight computer would probably do nicely!
krupan 2y ago
I've had a DC-1 for a few months now and this review sums it up nicely. The one thing I'd say was missed is that you actually can assign actions to the extra physical buttons with apps like Key Mapper
- jborichevskiy 2y ago
  author here- great to know, thanks!
Shank 2y ago
> For some reason every bluetooth keyboard I have tried so far glitches every so often and sends double or triple keys or occasionally the same key a couple dozen times with no way to stop it from happening. This would make the device unusable to me. I wonder if others have had the same issue? Fundamentally, I need typing to be reliable. I guess this probably doesn’t happen via USB keyboards?
- t-3 2y ago
  That sounds to me like some kind of retransmission error - a packet with a keystroke is being sent but the ack is not received so another packet is sent? I know nothing at all about if/how bluetooth actually manages reliability though, so could be unlikely or totally impossible.
  - TickleSteve 2y ago
    packets are sequenced, integrity checked and encrypted to prevent replay attacks so unlikely to be a simple "send packet again" issue. More likely a key debounce issue or driver issue.
- konradb 2y ago
  I get this when using my Bose QC bluetooth headphones near my keyboard. Sometimes it doesn't happen much, sometimes it happens every half hour. It doesn't happen when I don't use the BT headphones. I wonder if this issue is something to do with interference or radio power or faulty bluetooth stacks.
  - cies 2y ago
    bluetooth is a ghetto of a protocol. sad though, as the use case is well so damn useful. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22904442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22904442
- hedora 2y ago
  Sounds like rf interference from your computer or something. Try getting a 3-6’ USB extension cable, and plug a Bluetooth dongle into it, then route it away from your machine.
ikari_pl 2y ago
It reassures me that going with an Onyx Boox Tab Pro was the better choice. Full e-ink, not e-Paper, but still can switch to a mode where you could, if you want, watch a movie. Backlight is not crazy orange, it's what you want (warmth controlled separately from brightness). Ignores hand when you use the stylus, or at least, uses hands gestures for different things than the stylus and I never had the issue. Bluetooth keyboard works OK. And it's Android (that's a plus for me, you have good software variety), with Google Services.
- Seattle3503 2y ago
  I looked at Boox devices, but they lag Android versions to the point where it becomes a security concern.
  - partdavid 2y ago
    My Boox is pretty crap. My use case is Libby for library books and the display refreshing and other things make it almost unusable. Feels super cheap, unsupported.
    - noduerme 2y ago
      Wow. This is so different from my experience with my Boox. I like the add ons they made to improve the Android UI for e-ink purposes, and every weekly update makes it better. Feels extremely well supported to me.
  - dredmorbius 2y ago
    I treat mine (Max Lumi, about 3 years old now) as an insecure device. There are (very nearly) no account-based services on them (and occasional use of SSH roughly doubles that count), and that which I do use is to a pseudonymous service which ... I've soured on sufficiently that I use it little if any. The device is almost wholly dedicated to consumption, largely e-books, podcasts, and websites. That's a nonzero vulnerability surface, but it's pretty close to nil. And for those purposes, the device is quite satisfactory.
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Animats 2y ago
From the picture, it has the low-contrast look of an older E-ink display. Here's a higher-contrast E-ink display.[1] There are also emissive display laptops brighter than 1000 nits, which is about where they become sunlight-readable. Battery life might be a problem. [1] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GKVM94N1F6E https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GKVM94N1F6E
- rpastuszak 2y ago
  MacBook pro M4 with a low-glare display and 1600 nits iirc works OK outdoors but still doesn't get close to eink in my opinion.
- TazeTSchnitzel 2y ago
  The lower contrast is because it's not e-ink (with the very slow refresh times that implies). It's something more like an LCD.
  - dredmorbius 2y ago
    For values of "something like" strongly approaching "actually is a transflective LCD". <https://www.androidpolice.com/origins-daylight-dc-1-with-creator-anjan-katta/ https://www.androidpolice.com/origins-daylight-dc-1-with-cre...>
- WillAdams 2y ago
  Yes, my take on this has always been, "Trying to outbright the sun with a battery-powered device is _not_ a brilliant approach." which is why I've always preferred transflective displays (and despair of replacing my Fujitsu Stylistic ST-4110 which was one of my most favourite computers, and probably the longest-lived --- still boot it up occasionally to use a scanner, and I'd use it for more if an 800MHz Pentium could cope with today's JavaScript on today's Web...)
sneak 2y ago
Every time I read something like this it strikes me as so incredibly odd that people are into sunlight. For me, direct sunlight is a 100% negative experience. It’s physically dangerous to skin, generally unhealthy if you aren’t Vitamin D deficient, extremely bright, causes wild temperature flux throughout normal working hours, etc. I have spent a lot of time and a fair bit of money making sure natural sunlight never reaches the places I regularly work and sleep. I would live deep underground if I could. The incessant changes in light, temperature, humidity (even indoors) are a constant annoyance that must be compensated for. It’s a wonder to me that anyone enjoys such experiences.
- themadturk 2y ago
  I prefer avoiding direct sunlight, but lounging outdoors in the shade is delightful.
- nehal3m 2y ago
  Okay guys, who welcomed Nosferatu onto HN? I’ll get the garlic…
- deleted 2y ago
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- saagarjha 2y ago
  Some of us touch grass
- nunodonato 2y ago
  dude, you definitely need to get outside more often...
  - sneak 2y ago
    Why's that?
- smusamashah 2y ago
  Do you have anything as a backup to say its physically dangerous and generally unhealthy?
est 2y ago
rlcd display panels are coming this year. Looking foward to buy one.
- moffkalast 2y ago
  That looks pretty interesting, I'd think a regular LCD would already be fully capable of working this way if you swapped the diffuser + backlight for a reflective white sheet? They are transparent after all.
- mintplant 2y ago
  That's very exciting! Do you have any more information on that?
jgrahamc 2y ago
I have one of these and I'm just about ready to give it away. The problem is it doesn't fit a use case that I don't have better solutions for. I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books. I wanted to like the DC-1 but every time I use it something feels off. Maybe that's partly because I don't enjoy the Android experience.
- rcarmo 2y ago
  Well, I'm quite happy with the Supernote Nomad, but will gladly take the DC-1 off your hands if you want to because I would love a screen with faster refresh to run Obsidian locally :)
- jmspring 2y ago
  The android experience is off putting, that said I haven’t put much time into customizing or playing with my dc1 yet. I found the design poor - reminds me of a first gen iPad. Too much wasted real estate. I need to spend more time with it, but I still prefer my iPad Pro.
- tiffanyh 2y ago
  I've written about this before, but I too gave up on my Daylight - even though I truly love what they are trying to accomplish. I found it: - oddly heavy, the Daylight is made of all plastic (body & screen) - yet it’s heavier than an iPad Air made from metal & glass. - handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence. I have to concentrate to ensure it’s keeping up with each letter I write. No such lag exists with my iPad Air. - no setup instructions or tutorial on its unique gestures. You boot it up and have to figure out how it works and getting it on WiFi - display resolution is much worse than I was expecting. - when using chrome, webpages render incredibly small. I’m having to constantly zoom in. There’s a setting in chrome about “desktop mode” but it made no difference. And I also wasn’t expecting to have to sign up for a Google account to even get Daylight OS/software updates. (Maybe I don’t but that’s what the Google App Store made it seem like). Wish I had read this review before I had bought it. https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/20/24201356/daylight-compute https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/20/24201356/daylight-compute... * Note: I truly love the idea of Daylight, and I hope they succeed. But in my mind, a considerable device improvement needs to be made to realize that vision. Until then, I’ll revert back to using my iPad Air (and now with nano-texture coming more broadly across Apple lines, Daylight is going to have that much more to overcome - because Apple is also cheaper product).
AlanYx 2y ago
One thing about the DC-1 that this piece doesn't mention is the graininess of the display. It's not resolution-related... on a pure white background the display looks slightly speckled, like it has some film grain. I find this impairs readability of small text. (Matte and nano texture displays on many devices often have some degree of graininess on pure white, but it's more prominent on the DC-1 than I'm used to.) Perhaps it's related to the Wacom layer rather than the RLCD tech itself, I'm not sure.
- jim180 2y ago
  Sounds like nano texture from Apple. Much less reflective than standard glass, but with added graininess, which is clearly visible to me :(
  - bookofjoe 2y ago
    Thank you for saving me a nice chunk of change by closing out my eternal debate about whether or not to pony up for a nano texture screen.
    - throw-qqqqq 2y ago
      This topic is very subjective IMO. Some love the glossy screens, others the matte ones. And this is really what it comes down to for me. I would try getting a chance to view the difference in person before deciding.
      - AlanYx 2y ago
        Yes, I find that there are differences in eye strain between the regular and nanotexture displays, even in a dark room with no reflections. It's worth trying both. One interesting difference between the two that not a lot of people realize is that the light emitted by the regular screen is circularly polarized, while the nanotexture is largely non-polarized.
        zachh 2y ago
Certified 2y ago
Whatever happened to the transflective lcds that were popular in carputers in the 2000s? They seem to be a perfect fit for a tablet and I have been puzzled that no one has jumped on using them in one. from the transflective wikipedia page [1] "A transflective liquid-crystal display is a liquid-crystal display (LCD) with an optical layer that reflects and transmits light (transflective is a portmanteau of transmissive and reflective). Under bright illumination (e.g. when exposed to daylight) the display acts mainly as a reflective display with the contrast being constant with illuminance. However, under dim and dark ambient situations the light from a backlight is transmitted through the transflective layer to provide light for the display. The transflective layer is called a transflector. It is typically made from a sheet polymer. It is similar to a one-way mirror but is not specular." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective_liquid-crystal_display https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective_liquid-crystal_d...
- xnx 2y ago
  The daylight computer is a transflective LCD with fancy marketing.
  - Certified 2y ago
    Thanks for pointing that out. I thought it was some sort of variation on an E-ink display because of the black and white limitation. Nothing about transflective tech limits it from full color other than price. I guess that leads me to an evolution of my question: Why are no* tablets using full color transflective displays? *I did find the HannsNote2 [1] does, but it only came out last year, and this tech has been around for donkey's years. [1] https://www.hannspree.com/product/hannsnote2 https://www.hannspree.com/product/hannsnote2
- layer8 2y ago
  There is https://eazeye.com/ https://eazeye.com/.
- numpad0 2y ago
  LEDs replaced CCFL tubes in backlighting. LED was still too dark until iPhone 4S or 5, but once it became bright enough and automatic brightness control matured, it quickly eliminated needs for transflective displays. Transflective displays are also generally "low quality" in eyes of regular consumers. That drives down margins and eliminate less flashy options.
rtpg 2y ago
Regarding the comment about using the laptop in a hammock… I really wish I could have some sort of keyboard that was “good for typing” but that I could just hold onto in my hands. Many times I would like to type something up, but don’t want a computer on my lap. Just something shaped like some cylinders to grip yet somehow are able to piggyback on existing touch typing knowledge sounds cool to me (but might be unreasonably heavy or something)
- jodrellblank 2y ago
  I’ve never seen one that’s “good for typing” but: TapStrap 2: https://www.tapwithus.com/product/tap-strap-2/ https://www.tapwithus.com/product/tap-strap-2/ The ancient Twiddler2 wearable chording keyboard: https://spectrum.ieee.org/media-library/the-twiddler-chorded-keyboard.jpg?id=25572028&width=980 https://spectrum.ieee.org/media-library/the-twiddler-chorded... The never productised Senseboard: https://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/virtuella-tangenter-gor-nytt-forsok/1145496 https://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/virtuella-tangenter-gor-nytt... The never productised DataEgg chording: https://www.friedmanarchives.com/dataegg/ https://www.friedmanarchives.com/dataegg/
  - JackMorgan 2y ago
    I've got an Alphagrip that's pretty good but I ended losing my speed with it when Swype touchscreens came out and I was faster with them. https://www.alphagrip.com/ https://www.alphagrip.com/
    - rtpg 2y ago
      I've seen the alphagrip, but is it an easy thing to get used to? Like does it kind of map similar fingers to similar buttons?
Gracana 2y ago
> scrolling, panning, videos, gifs. It all feels as it should Is it really that good? Okay, I found a video... Wow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHeIw9rXzUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHeIw9rXzUQ Very expensive right now, too much to impulse buy, and the OS is not what I want. I would like a chunky little laptop with this display tech.
spondyl 2y ago
I really enjoy my DC-1 but after a quick skim, I didn't notice any mention of the screen's ability to scratch. I took mine in a backpack up to my parents place and apparently something lightly caused a scratch on the screen so now I just have a permanent little gouge. Thankfully I've learned to ignore it over time but yeah, don't assume it's as indestructible as a lot of screens. The DC-1 does/did ship with a padded cover which makes me think it doubled as the engineering fix for when/if they realised that might be an issue.
- officeplant 2y ago
  Vast majority of e-ink devices have little to no scratch resistance and need covers. Are people so used to gorilla glass that they forget other displays exist now? A rare exception is the BigME E-ink phones but those have glossy glass over the screens and a matte screen protector to combat the gloss.
  - Night_Thastus 2y ago
    >Are people so used to gorilla glass that they forget other displays exist now? Yes? Phones have gotten incredibly scratch resistant over the years. It's kind of expected that portable devices will do a good job of this because they get moved a lot. Not saying it's easy with e-ink and touch capabilities though, it may be very hard. However, I can see why someone would expect it to 'just work'.
  - spondyl 2y ago
    I've been pretty unloving to my various Kobo's and Boox devices without any major issues so I guess I'm just not used to it
circuit10 2y ago
Random idea: could someone make a display like this for the Framework laptop?
- headclone 2y ago
  Fantastic idea — I would be in the market for this, doubly so if it could be easily swapped with an OLED.
  - circuit10 2y ago
    I looked it up after and it looks like someone already had a similar idea, I'm pretty sure I've seen this before which is probably where I got the idea from: https://x.com/zephray_wenting/status/1535041457035280392 https://x.com/zephray_wenting/status/1535041457035280392 But that never turned into a product, and this display tech might be more suitable as response times would be better?
steveBK123 2y ago
I've got one coming my way hopefully in next 2 months.. I kind of see it similarly to this review - a new category of device and not quite a 1-1 replacement of anything I have. I have reluctantly owned Kindles & iPads since v1 of each, and don't particularly like either. For me the iPad is always the 2nd (or 3rd) best device - if I'm seated indoors at a table or sofa, a MacBook is better.. if I'm on the go, a big iPhone is better.. if I am doing book length reading, a kindle is better. I can go a week or three without picking up my iPad. I find the OS annoyingly close to being a proper mini MacOS that never quite gets close enough in terms of multitasking/etc. It almost would be better by not trying to do so many things. That said I find Kindles to be the worst tech product I regularly use, hands down. It's good for reading books in bed, thats basically it. But its so much better at that, I use it daily. All the notetaking/highlighting/sharing functionality is garbage. Attempts to download/purchase more books on it are clunky enough I just wait til I'm back at phone/desktop. It also has the most bizarre ad targeting showing me content I would never read despite having nearly 20 years of my reading history. I've even tried the Remarkable (v1) for a couple years as a work note-taking device. So I'm hoping the Daylight solves the "3rd device" issue a bit better, but tbd. Light computing, mostly for reading, plus some light note taking, touch & keyboard, better battery life and a screen that works outdoors.
- Daegalus 2y ago
  I had a similar adventure. I ended up with a Meebook E-Reader P78 Pro. It is an android based e-reader with a stylus and note-taking capabilities. Even has the ability to enable Google Play Store. I added Kindle, Library, and Audiobookshelf to mine, along with Obsidian and some note taking stuff. it works fairly well, nowhere near perfect, but its also much cheaper than the DC-1. Maybe look into that also. There might be newer versions or alternatives. Maybe something from Boox
  - Daegalus 2y ago
    Just to add, I bought this primarily for Reading, and note taking second on occasion.
  - genericuser256 2y ago
cbm-vic-20 2y ago
Since I couldn't find a link anywhere, available for preorder for US$729: https://daylightcomputer.com/ https://daylightcomputer.com/
jboggan 2y ago
I have the Fintie case he mentioned and it does work very nicely. I love my Daylight so far but I received it right at the end of the season that I would want to be working outside. Spring is just around the corner here in Georgia so I am looking forward to putting it to work in the wifi-enabled woods behind my barn office. It's very good though and latency is good enough to watch Broodwar videos on YouTube and still enjoy the content (though of course the colors are off).
vednig 2y ago
this is awesome, thanks for sharing
ct0 2y ago
r/writerdeck
G8RZMPKhX 2y ago
I've had a DC-1 for several months now. My biggest fear is that the company won't make a second version. I think I can truthfully say this is the one digital device I've actually been excited to own! I have two primary usecases - reading on the train and taking notes in meetings. On the first - being a full Android, I can use apps or a web browser, and it's extremely responsive and highly legible. On the notetaking side - hands down, the best experience I've had with a digital product - for comparison, I've got a Remarkable 2 tablet sitting on my desk, and by comparison, remarkable's writing delay is noticeably uncomfortable. I wish they had an official cover (I've found an acceptable generic on amazon). For the retro-computing feel, there's definitely something surreal in watching a B&W movie on a B&W device. I honestly don't miss the color spectrum, so unless you're doing some work that actually requires color, I would definitely recommend this device. Somehow, it gets the "less distraction" thing right. And the software support will improve with time.
- orbisvicis 2y ago
  I believe their first few Founder's Edition batches did ship with a cover, and a nicer sling.
timvdalen 2y ago
Do the orange buttons work for anyone? The Reader app mentions that they're supposed to be for sending feedback, but they've never done anything for me.
somberi 2y ago
I have one and agree with the technical issues mentioned in this thread. This is my first experience with a writing tablet, although I have occasionally dabbled with an iPad with a stylus. What draws me to use this device is that it creates a sense of "roominess," allowing me to lean back and consume, write, and engage in a non-aggressive way. This quality is something I miss in my other devices. The monochrome display makes playing Wordle harder :).
VyseofArcadia 2y ago
I quite like mine, but I haven't done any work work on it. No typing or anything. I've read a couple of books on it, I've read some manga (perfect match for the monochrome screen), and I've taken some notes on some papers that I'm working through. I'm impressed with the battery, and I've been using it every single day since I got it. Mindblowing? No. Just a nice reading experience. Perfect if you want something larger form-factor than the kindle with more apps to side-load, if that's your thing. As for the UI, etc, it's just Android with a non-standard launcher. They didn't even write the launcher, it's a launcher you can get off the app store. It's pretty vanilla except for the gestures for back/home. Whether or not this bothers you is probably a function of how much you like or dislike a pretty vanilla Android experience.
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  On Onyx it's possible to swap in other-than-stock launchers, such as Nova (though that's apparently ceased further development: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41205497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41205497>).
52-6F-62 2y ago
Is it really computing if you’re just using it like a pad of paper? Is it worth all the noxious process to manufacture it? I like a different tool as much as the next person, but I think before we jump to the most complicated to for the job we should align our priorities..
markbergz 2y ago
Thank you for writing this up, I'm glad I'm not the online one with the Android issues. Being able to put any software on it is nice, but it comes with a cost. The default Android jank along with the custom home screen makes the product difficult to use. I only wanted to read ebooks on the device but even that experience is not great and the reader app that comes with the device seems to be limited to pdfs. Additionally, there is 0 hand holding during set up. The packaging is top notch, but the QR code with instructions was hidden at the bottom under the device. I did not notice it until days later. That being said, the screen technology is amazing and I hope they're able to continue the business. Unfortunately the bar for products is very high now but I think they have something here.
mr_tristan 2y ago
Ultimately, the first line is really resonated with me: "When I get to write or read on a screen that’s reflecting the sun back at me instead of needing to be shielded from it, I get a dose of this feeling that this is what all computing could feel like. I want so much more of this in my life." I have the DC-1, and where I've used it in direct sunlight, it's a great feeling. However... it's rare that this matters. But... it's winter. And so I'm inside because it's f*king cold out. I'm holding onto hope that this will bring me outside to read and note take a bit more eventually. My iPad is still king for my "tablet computing". Especially note taking, drawing, design tasks (like CAD), casual gaming and entertainment consumption. I don't see the DC-1 replacing my iPad use any time soon. The app ecosystem, screen, sound, etc, are just not good enough to replace my iPad. Frankly, I just don't see anything that can really compete with the iPad, which sucks, because I feel like Apple continues to underestimate what the iPad could be. (It should be more like a mac and not like a phone. The hardware can do this, the software can not.) ... but anyhow, the DC-1 makes me excited to be able to, say, go to the park and read and note a design doc. Etc. Like, this device could be a lifestyle changer... when it's nice out. Or it might be a device I read documents on and take notes on the iPad. This is a second use case I'm just starting to figure out. So I'm going to keep onto mine, and I'm optimistic and excited. But it's early.
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noperator 2y ago
> palm rejection while using the stylus Do you mean that it doesn't sufficiently reject palm touch while writing with stylus? I'm a long-time Onyx BOOX user and hoping that DC-1 writing experience is as good or better.

(not mine) was just checking what became of them and this review hit home I have no use for an android tablet like this, but as soon as they make a PC screen (either laptop or desktop) I'm pretty sure I'd buy one fast! Keep it up folks!

spondylosaurus 2y ago
I turned my Daylight into a PC screen using this app, which worked like a charm: https://superdisplay.app/ https://superdisplay.app/
- krupan 2y ago
  That only works with Windows?
  - 3r7j6qzi9jvnve 2y ago
    There seem to be equivalent for linux (not tested) https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-tablet-or-phone-second-monitor-linux https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-tablet-or-phone-seco... That's an interesting idea! I'm a bit wary of latency if this all goes over wifi, but probably worth a try.
3r7j6qzi9jvnve 2y ago
While I was looking up such screens, these also seem to sell "quick refresh" PC screens: https://shop.dasung.com/ https://shop.dasung.com/ Just did a quick search on HN and while it did get posted recent ones didn't get many comments, not many users perhaps? I'd be greedy and wish there was something in the middle (13 is tiny for desktop but there's no battery so it's not really laptop friendly; 25 is a bit too big for my desk), but perhaps...
- DecentShoes 2y ago
  The Dasung monitors are cool, but those are actual Eink, whereas the Daylight tablet is LCD, so you'll have a wildly different experience between the two. There's a reflective lcd subreddit that discusses reflective lcd pc monitors, looks like at least one company is launching a commercial product soon.
  - dredmorbius 2y ago
    Are you aware of any specific direct comparisons? Video of same would be particularly illuminating, I think.
- bpye 2y ago
  I really hope to Modos e-ink display works out - https://www.crowdsupply.com/modos-tech/modos-paper-monitor https://www.crowdsupply.com/modos-tech/modos-paper-monitor They have their own FPGA based controller to enable much higher refresh rates and lower latency.
layer8 2y ago
There is https://eazeye.com/ https://eazeye.com/.
- WillAdams 2y ago
  If it were some more reasonable spec than 24" 1920 x 1080 I would be far more interested.
  - layer8 2y ago
    It’s a hen and egg problem. There is little investment in the technology, because few people buy it. That being said, Full HD at that size (and even at 27”) is still a fairly common resolution on the desktop.
    - hedora 2y ago
      It is still common, but there’s a reason that it only shows up on landfill-ready devices (unless you count high hz gaming monitors).

abdullahkhalids 2y ago

About 9 months ago, they promised that they will unlock the bootloader so one can install and run linux on it [1]. Hoping this happens soon. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40459958 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40459958

plagiarist 2y ago
I would buy one if this comes to fruition.
- _nkl1 2y ago
  not an expert, but i think that’s already available? https://www.daylighthacker.wiki/unlock https://www.daylighthacker.wiki/unlock
  - plagiarist 2y ago
    Oh, interesting! I'll have to check into what the state of Linux on these are.
3r7j6qzi9jvnve 2y ago
Unlocking the bootloader by itself is allowed apparently: https://www.daylighthacker.wiki/unlock https://www.daylighthacker.wiki/unlock The problem is that in order to run linux you'll probably want a kernel with quite a few patches and their DTS, and I haven't found anything for this yet. Android is almost linux so with a bit of effort it's probably not unreachable, but I don't quite have the time for this yet... If someone does it then Linux with an external keyboard would probably work for me as well, there was someone who did it with the remarkable (it's already linux but they ran standard X11 on it), but the refresh rate was a bit too sluggish, something like the daylight computer would probably do nicely!

krupan 2y ago

I've had a DC-1 for a few months now and this review sums it up nicely. The one thing I'd say was missed is that you actually can assign actions to the extra physical buttons with apps like Key Mapper

jborichevskiy 2y ago
author here- great to know, thanks!

Shank 2y ago

> For some reason every bluetooth keyboard I have tried so far glitches every so often and sends double or triple keys or occasionally the same key a couple dozen times with no way to stop it from happening. This would make the device unusable to me. I wonder if others have had the same issue? Fundamentally, I need typing to be reliable. I guess this probably doesn’t happen via USB keyboards?

t-3 2y ago
That sounds to me like some kind of retransmission error - a packet with a keystroke is being sent but the ack is not received so another packet is sent? I know nothing at all about if/how bluetooth actually manages reliability though, so could be unlikely or totally impossible.
- TickleSteve 2y ago
  packets are sequenced, integrity checked and encrypted to prevent replay attacks so unlikely to be a simple "send packet again" issue. More likely a key debounce issue or driver issue.
konradb 2y ago
I get this when using my Bose QC bluetooth headphones near my keyboard. Sometimes it doesn't happen much, sometimes it happens every half hour. It doesn't happen when I don't use the BT headphones. I wonder if this issue is something to do with interference or radio power or faulty bluetooth stacks.
- cies 2y ago
  bluetooth is a ghetto of a protocol. sad though, as the use case is well so damn useful. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22904442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22904442
hedora 2y ago
Sounds like rf interference from your computer or something. Try getting a 3-6’ USB extension cable, and plug a Bluetooth dongle into it, then route it away from your machine.

ikari_pl 2y ago

It reassures me that going with an Onyx Boox Tab Pro was the better choice. Full e-ink, not e-Paper, but still can switch to a mode where you could, if you want, watch a movie. Backlight is not crazy orange, it's what you want (warmth controlled separately from brightness). Ignores hand when you use the stylus, or at least, uses hands gestures for different things than the stylus and I never had the issue. Bluetooth keyboard works OK. And it's Android (that's a plus for me, you have good software variety), with Google Services.

Seattle3503 2y ago
I looked at Boox devices, but they lag Android versions to the point where it becomes a security concern.
- partdavid 2y ago
  My Boox is pretty crap. My use case is Libby for library books and the display refreshing and other things make it almost unusable. Feels super cheap, unsupported.
  - noduerme 2y ago
    Wow. This is so different from my experience with my Boox. I like the add ons they made to improve the Android UI for e-ink purposes, and every weekly update makes it better. Feels extremely well supported to me.
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  I treat mine (Max Lumi, about 3 years old now) as an insecure device. There are (very nearly) no account-based services on them (and occasional use of SSH roughly doubles that count), and that which I do use is to a pseudonymous service which ... I've soured on sufficiently that I use it little if any. The device is almost wholly dedicated to consumption, largely e-books, podcasts, and websites. That's a nonzero vulnerability surface, but it's pretty close to nil. And for those purposes, the device is quite satisfactory.
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Animats 2y ago

From the picture, it has the low-contrast look of an older E-ink display. Here's a higher-contrast E-ink display.[1] There are also emissive display laptops brighter than 1000 nits, which is about where they become sunlight-readable. Battery life might be a problem. [1] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GKVM94N1F6E https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GKVM94N1F6E

rpastuszak 2y ago
MacBook pro M4 with a low-glare display and 1600 nits iirc works OK outdoors but still doesn't get close to eink in my opinion.
TazeTSchnitzel 2y ago
The lower contrast is because it's not e-ink (with the very slow refresh times that implies). It's something more like an LCD.
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  For values of "something like" strongly approaching "actually is a transflective LCD". <https://www.androidpolice.com/origins-daylight-dc-1-with-creator-anjan-katta/ https://www.androidpolice.com/origins-daylight-dc-1-with-cre...>
WillAdams 2y ago
Yes, my take on this has always been, "Trying to outbright the sun with a battery-powered device is _not_ a brilliant approach." which is why I've always preferred transflective displays (and despair of replacing my Fujitsu Stylistic ST-4110 which was one of my most favourite computers, and probably the longest-lived --- still boot it up occasionally to use a scanner, and I'd use it for more if an 800MHz Pentium could cope with today's JavaScript on today's Web...)

sneak 2y ago

Every time I read something like this it strikes me as so incredibly odd that people are into sunlight. For me, direct sunlight is a 100% negative experience. It’s physically dangerous to skin, generally unhealthy if you aren’t Vitamin D deficient, extremely bright, causes wild temperature flux throughout normal working hours, etc. I have spent a lot of time and a fair bit of money making sure natural sunlight never reaches the places I regularly work and sleep. I would live deep underground if I could. The incessant changes in light, temperature, humidity (even indoors) are a constant annoyance that must be compensated for. It’s a wonder to me that anyone enjoys such experiences.

themadturk 2y ago
I prefer avoiding direct sunlight, but lounging outdoors in the shade is delightful.
nehal3m 2y ago
Okay guys, who welcomed Nosferatu onto HN? I’ll get the garlic…
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saagarjha 2y ago
Some of us touch grass
nunodonato 2y ago
dude, you definitely need to get outside more often...
- sneak 2y ago
  Why's that?
smusamashah 2y ago
Do you have anything as a backup to say its physically dangerous and generally unhealthy?

est 2y ago

rlcd display panels are coming this year. Looking foward to buy one.

moffkalast 2y ago
That looks pretty interesting, I'd think a regular LCD would already be fully capable of working this way if you swapped the diffuser + backlight for a reflective white sheet? They are transparent after all.
mintplant 2y ago
That's very exciting! Do you have any more information on that?

jgrahamc 2y ago

I have one of these and I'm just about ready to give it away. The problem is it doesn't fit a use case that I don't have better solutions for. I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books. I wanted to like the DC-1 but every time I use it something feels off. Maybe that's partly because I don't enjoy the Android experience.

rcarmo 2y ago
Well, I'm quite happy with the Supernote Nomad, but will gladly take the DC-1 off your hands if you want to because I would love a screen with faster refresh to run Obsidian locally :)
jmspring 2y ago
The android experience is off putting, that said I haven’t put much time into customizing or playing with my dc1 yet. I found the design poor - reminds me of a first gen iPad. Too much wasted real estate. I need to spend more time with it, but I still prefer my iPad Pro.
tiffanyh 2y ago
I've written about this before, but I too gave up on my Daylight - even though I truly love what they are trying to accomplish. I found it: - oddly heavy, the Daylight is made of all plastic (body & screen) - yet it’s heavier than an iPad Air made from metal & glass. - handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence. I have to concentrate to ensure it’s keeping up with each letter I write. No such lag exists with my iPad Air. - no setup instructions or tutorial on its unique gestures. You boot it up and have to figure out how it works and getting it on WiFi - display resolution is much worse than I was expecting. - when using chrome, webpages render incredibly small. I’m having to constantly zoom in. There’s a setting in chrome about “desktop mode” but it made no difference. And I also wasn’t expecting to have to sign up for a Google account to even get Daylight OS/software updates. (Maybe I don’t but that’s what the Google App Store made it seem like). Wish I had read this review before I had bought it. https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/20/24201356/daylight-compute https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/20/24201356/daylight-compute... * Note: I truly love the idea of Daylight, and I hope they succeed. But in my mind, a considerable device improvement needs to be made to realize that vision. Until then, I’ll revert back to using my iPad Air (and now with nano-texture coming more broadly across Apple lines, Daylight is going to have that much more to overcome - because Apple is also cheaper product).

AlanYx 2y ago

One thing about the DC-1 that this piece doesn't mention is the graininess of the display. It's not resolution-related... on a pure white background the display looks slightly speckled, like it has some film grain. I find this impairs readability of small text. (Matte and nano texture displays on many devices often have some degree of graininess on pure white, but it's more prominent on the DC-1 than I'm used to.) Perhaps it's related to the Wacom layer rather than the RLCD tech itself, I'm not sure.

jim180 2y ago
Sounds like nano texture from Apple. Much less reflective than standard glass, but with added graininess, which is clearly visible to me :(
- bookofjoe 2y ago
  Thank you for saving me a nice chunk of change by closing out my eternal debate about whether or not to pony up for a nano texture screen.
  - throw-qqqqq 2y ago
    This topic is very subjective IMO. Some love the glossy screens, others the matte ones. And this is really what it comes down to for me. I would try getting a chance to view the difference in person before deciding.
    - AlanYx 2y ago
      Yes, I find that there are differences in eye strain between the regular and nanotexture displays, even in a dark room with no reflections. It's worth trying both. One interesting difference between the two that not a lot of people realize is that the light emitted by the regular screen is circularly polarized, while the nanotexture is largely non-polarized.
      - zachh 2y ago

Certified 2y ago

Whatever happened to the transflective lcds that were popular in carputers in the 2000s? They seem to be a perfect fit for a tablet and I have been puzzled that no one has jumped on using them in one. from the transflective wikipedia page [1] "A transflective liquid-crystal display is a liquid-crystal display (LCD) with an optical layer that reflects and transmits light (transflective is a portmanteau of transmissive and reflective). Under bright illumination (e.g. when exposed to daylight) the display acts mainly as a reflective display with the contrast being constant with illuminance. However, under dim and dark ambient situations the light from a backlight is transmitted through the transflective layer to provide light for the display. The transflective layer is called a transflector. It is typically made from a sheet polymer. It is similar to a one-way mirror but is not specular." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective_liquid-crystal_display https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective_liquid-crystal_d...

xnx 2y ago
The daylight computer is a transflective LCD with fancy marketing.
- Certified 2y ago
  Thanks for pointing that out. I thought it was some sort of variation on an E-ink display because of the black and white limitation. Nothing about transflective tech limits it from full color other than price. I guess that leads me to an evolution of my question: Why are no* tablets using full color transflective displays? *I did find the HannsNote2 [1] does, but it only came out last year, and this tech has been around for donkey's years. [1] https://www.hannspree.com/product/hannsnote2 https://www.hannspree.com/product/hannsnote2
layer8 2y ago
There is https://eazeye.com/ https://eazeye.com/.
numpad0 2y ago
LEDs replaced CCFL tubes in backlighting. LED was still too dark until iPhone 4S or 5, but once it became bright enough and automatic brightness control matured, it quickly eliminated needs for transflective displays. Transflective displays are also generally "low quality" in eyes of regular consumers. That drives down margins and eliminate less flashy options.

rtpg 2y ago

Regarding the comment about using the laptop in a hammock… I really wish I could have some sort of keyboard that was “good for typing” but that I could just hold onto in my hands. Many times I would like to type something up, but don’t want a computer on my lap. Just something shaped like some cylinders to grip yet somehow are able to piggyback on existing touch typing knowledge sounds cool to me (but might be unreasonably heavy or something)

jodrellblank 2y ago
I’ve never seen one that’s “good for typing” but: TapStrap 2: https://www.tapwithus.com/product/tap-strap-2/ https://www.tapwithus.com/product/tap-strap-2/ The ancient Twiddler2 wearable chording keyboard: https://spectrum.ieee.org/media-library/the-twiddler-chorded-keyboard.jpg?id=25572028&width=980 https://spectrum.ieee.org/media-library/the-twiddler-chorded... The never productised Senseboard: https://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/virtuella-tangenter-gor-nytt-forsok/1145496 https://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/virtuella-tangenter-gor-nytt... The never productised DataEgg chording: https://www.friedmanarchives.com/dataegg/ https://www.friedmanarchives.com/dataegg/
- JackMorgan 2y ago
  I've got an Alphagrip that's pretty good but I ended losing my speed with it when Swype touchscreens came out and I was faster with them. https://www.alphagrip.com/ https://www.alphagrip.com/
  - rtpg 2y ago
    I've seen the alphagrip, but is it an easy thing to get used to? Like does it kind of map similar fingers to similar buttons?

Gracana 2y ago

> scrolling, panning, videos, gifs. It all feels as it should Is it really that good? Okay, I found a video... Wow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHeIw9rXzUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHeIw9rXzUQ Very expensive right now, too much to impulse buy, and the OS is not what I want. I would like a chunky little laptop with this display tech.

spondyl 2y ago

I really enjoy my DC-1 but after a quick skim, I didn't notice any mention of the screen's ability to scratch. I took mine in a backpack up to my parents place and apparently something lightly caused a scratch on the screen so now I just have a permanent little gouge. Thankfully I've learned to ignore it over time but yeah, don't assume it's as indestructible as a lot of screens. The DC-1 does/did ship with a padded cover which makes me think it doubled as the engineering fix for when/if they realised that might be an issue.

officeplant 2y ago
Vast majority of e-ink devices have little to no scratch resistance and need covers. Are people so used to gorilla glass that they forget other displays exist now? A rare exception is the BigME E-ink phones but those have glossy glass over the screens and a matte screen protector to combat the gloss.
- Night_Thastus 2y ago
  >Are people so used to gorilla glass that they forget other displays exist now? Yes? Phones have gotten incredibly scratch resistant over the years. It's kind of expected that portable devices will do a good job of this because they get moved a lot. Not saying it's easy with e-ink and touch capabilities though, it may be very hard. However, I can see why someone would expect it to 'just work'.
- spondyl 2y ago
  I've been pretty unloving to my various Kobo's and Boox devices without any major issues so I guess I'm just not used to it

circuit10 2y ago

Random idea: could someone make a display like this for the Framework laptop?

headclone 2y ago
Fantastic idea — I would be in the market for this, doubly so if it could be easily swapped with an OLED.
- circuit10 2y ago
  I looked it up after and it looks like someone already had a similar idea, I'm pretty sure I've seen this before which is probably where I got the idea from: https://x.com/zephray_wenting/status/1535041457035280392 https://x.com/zephray_wenting/status/1535041457035280392 But that never turned into a product, and this display tech might be more suitable as response times would be better?

steveBK123 2y ago

I've got one coming my way hopefully in next 2 months.. I kind of see it similarly to this review - a new category of device and not quite a 1-1 replacement of anything I have. I have reluctantly owned Kindles & iPads since v1 of each, and don't particularly like either. For me the iPad is always the 2nd (or 3rd) best device - if I'm seated indoors at a table or sofa, a MacBook is better.. if I'm on the go, a big iPhone is better.. if I am doing book length reading, a kindle is better. I can go a week or three without picking up my iPad. I find the OS annoyingly close to being a proper mini MacOS that never quite gets close enough in terms of multitasking/etc. It almost would be better by not trying to do so many things. That said I find Kindles to be the worst tech product I regularly use, hands down. It's good for reading books in bed, thats basically it. But its so much better at that, I use it daily. All the notetaking/highlighting/sharing functionality is garbage. Attempts to download/purchase more books on it are clunky enough I just wait til I'm back at phone/desktop. It also has the most bizarre ad targeting showing me content I would never read despite having nearly 20 years of my reading history. I've even tried the Remarkable (v1) for a couple years as a work note-taking device. So I'm hoping the Daylight solves the "3rd device" issue a bit better, but tbd. Light computing, mostly for reading, plus some light note taking, touch & keyboard, better battery life and a screen that works outdoors.

Daegalus 2y ago
I had a similar adventure. I ended up with a Meebook E-Reader P78 Pro. It is an android based e-reader with a stylus and note-taking capabilities. Even has the ability to enable Google Play Store. I added Kindle, Library, and Audiobookshelf to mine, along with Obsidian and some note taking stuff. it works fairly well, nowhere near perfect, but its also much cheaper than the DC-1. Maybe look into that also. There might be newer versions or alternatives. Maybe something from Boox
- Daegalus 2y ago
  Just to add, I bought this primarily for Reading, and note taking second on occasion.
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cbm-vic-20 2y ago

Since I couldn't find a link anywhere, available for preorder for US$729: https://daylightcomputer.com/ https://daylightcomputer.com/

jboggan 2y ago

I have the Fintie case he mentioned and it does work very nicely. I love my Daylight so far but I received it right at the end of the season that I would want to be working outside. Spring is just around the corner here in Georgia so I am looking forward to putting it to work in the wifi-enabled woods behind my barn office. It's very good though and latency is good enough to watch Broodwar videos on YouTube and still enjoy the content (though of course the colors are off).

vednig 2y ago

this is awesome, thanks for sharing

ct0 2y ago

r/writerdeck

G8RZMPKhX 2y ago

I've had a DC-1 for several months now. My biggest fear is that the company won't make a second version. I think I can truthfully say this is the one digital device I've actually been excited to own! I have two primary usecases - reading on the train and taking notes in meetings. On the first - being a full Android, I can use apps or a web browser, and it's extremely responsive and highly legible. On the notetaking side - hands down, the best experience I've had with a digital product - for comparison, I've got a Remarkable 2 tablet sitting on my desk, and by comparison, remarkable's writing delay is noticeably uncomfortable. I wish they had an official cover (I've found an acceptable generic on amazon). For the retro-computing feel, there's definitely something surreal in watching a B&W movie on a B&W device. I honestly don't miss the color spectrum, so unless you're doing some work that actually requires color, I would definitely recommend this device. Somehow, it gets the "less distraction" thing right. And the software support will improve with time.

orbisvicis 2y ago
I believe their first few Founder's Edition batches did ship with a cover, and a nicer sling.

timvdalen 2y ago

Do the orange buttons work for anyone? The Reader app mentions that they're supposed to be for sending feedback, but they've never done anything for me.

somberi 2y ago

I have one and agree with the technical issues mentioned in this thread. This is my first experience with a writing tablet, although I have occasionally dabbled with an iPad with a stylus. What draws me to use this device is that it creates a sense of "roominess," allowing me to lean back and consume, write, and engage in a non-aggressive way. This quality is something I miss in my other devices. The monochrome display makes playing Wordle harder :).

VyseofArcadia 2y ago

I quite like mine, but I haven't done any work work on it. No typing or anything. I've read a couple of books on it, I've read some manga (perfect match for the monochrome screen), and I've taken some notes on some papers that I'm working through. I'm impressed with the battery, and I've been using it every single day since I got it. Mindblowing? No. Just a nice reading experience. Perfect if you want something larger form-factor than the kindle with more apps to side-load, if that's your thing. As for the UI, etc, it's just Android with a non-standard launcher. They didn't even write the launcher, it's a launcher you can get off the app store. It's pretty vanilla except for the gestures for back/home. Whether or not this bothers you is probably a function of how much you like or dislike a pretty vanilla Android experience.

dredmorbius 2y ago
On Onyx it's possible to swap in other-than-stock launchers, such as Nova (though that's apparently ceased further development: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41205497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41205497>).

52-6F-62 2y ago

Is it really computing if you’re just using it like a pad of paper? Is it worth all the noxious process to manufacture it? I like a different tool as much as the next person, but I think before we jump to the most complicated to for the job we should align our priorities..

markbergz 2y ago

Thank you for writing this up, I'm glad I'm not the online one with the Android issues. Being able to put any software on it is nice, but it comes with a cost. The default Android jank along with the custom home screen makes the product difficult to use. I only wanted to read ebooks on the device but even that experience is not great and the reader app that comes with the device seems to be limited to pdfs. Additionally, there is 0 hand holding during set up. The packaging is top notch, but the QR code with instructions was hidden at the bottom under the device. I did not notice it until days later. That being said, the screen technology is amazing and I hope they're able to continue the business. Unfortunately the bar for products is very high now but I think they have something here.

mr_tristan 2y ago

Ultimately, the first line is really resonated with me: "When I get to write or read on a screen that’s reflecting the sun back at me instead of needing to be shielded from it, I get a dose of this feeling that this is what all computing could feel like. I want so much more of this in my life." I have the DC-1, and where I've used it in direct sunlight, it's a great feeling. However... it's rare that this matters. But... it's winter. And so I'm inside because it's f*king cold out. I'm holding onto hope that this will bring me outside to read and note take a bit more eventually. My iPad is still king for my "tablet computing". Especially note taking, drawing, design tasks (like CAD), casual gaming and entertainment consumption. I don't see the DC-1 replacing my iPad use any time soon. The app ecosystem, screen, sound, etc, are just not good enough to replace my iPad. Frankly, I just don't see anything that can really compete with the iPad, which sucks, because I feel like Apple continues to underestimate what the iPad could be. (It should be more like a mac and not like a phone. The hardware can do this, the software can not.) ... but anyhow, the DC-1 makes me excited to be able to, say, go to the park and read and note a design doc. Etc. Like, this device could be a lifestyle changer... when it's nice out. Or it might be a device I read documents on and take notes on the iPad. This is a second use case I'm just starting to figure out. So I'm going to keep onto mine, and I'm optimistic and excited. But it's early.

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noperator 2y ago

> palm rejection while using the stylus Do you mean that it doesn't sufficiently reject palm touch while writing with stylus? I'm a long-time Onyx BOOX user and hoping that DC-1 writing experience is as good or better.