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https://github.com/codr7/tyred-java/tree/main/src/codr7/tyred https://github.com/codr7/tyred-java/tree/main/src/codr7/tyre... 24 of those files are under 100 l

by 38 2y ago

https://github.com/codr7/tyred-java/tree/main/src/codr7/tyred https://github.com/codr7/tyred-java/tree/main/src/codr7/tyre... 24 of those files are under 100 lines - some of them are as small as three lines of code. and that's not a personal preference - that's mandated by Java that each type needs to be in its own file, ridiculous.

codr7 2y ago
I don't see that as a problem at all, just like I don't see header files in C++ as a major problem, there are benefits as well and Java has the best IDEs of any language I've worked in except maybe SmallTalk.
- 38 2y ago
  Java has the best IDEs, because as a language development is essentially impossible without one. contrast with Go where I can put as many types into one file as I like, and I can (and do) use Go without an IDE, both personally and professionally
  - gf000 2y ago
    What part of Java development is impossible without an IDE? It's a stupidly simple language. Just because people actually use it and thus IDEs were developed to aid the development process doesn't make it a necessity at all. I have programmed Java countless times from vim without any plugins. The only pain point is imports, which would be similarly painful in any other language ever created.
- johnisgood 2y ago
  Let me know when you can work on a medium-sized Java codebase in Emacs or Vim smoothly.
  - codr7 2y ago
    I more or less live in Emacs, but I wouldn't use it for drawing pictures or writing SmallTalk either. The right tool for the job.
    - johnisgood 2y ago
      I can use Emacs and Vim for pretty much everything, definitely not Java or JVM-like languages.
throwaway2037 2y ago
> that's mandated by Java that each type needs to be in its own file, ridiculous. Nested classes?
galkk 2y ago
> mandated by Java that each type needs to be in its own file, ridiculous. Each public type, but in general I agree, this is ridiculous decision.

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codr7 2y ago

I don't see that as a problem at all, just like I don't see header files in C++ as a major problem, there are benefits as well and Java has the best IDEs of any language I've worked in except maybe SmallTalk.

38 2y ago
Java has the best IDEs, because as a language development is essentially impossible without one. contrast with Go where I can put as many types into one file as I like, and I can (and do) use Go without an IDE, both personally and professionally
- gf000 2y ago
  What part of Java development is impossible without an IDE? It's a stupidly simple language. Just because people actually use it and thus IDEs were developed to aid the development process doesn't make it a necessity at all. I have programmed Java countless times from vim without any plugins. The only pain point is imports, which would be similarly painful in any other language ever created.
johnisgood 2y ago
Let me know when you can work on a medium-sized Java codebase in Emacs or Vim smoothly.
- codr7 2y ago
  I more or less live in Emacs, but I wouldn't use it for drawing pictures or writing SmallTalk either. The right tool for the job.
  - johnisgood 2y ago
    I can use Emacs and Vim for pretty much everything, definitely not Java or JVM-like languages.

throwaway2037 2y ago

> that's mandated by Java that each type needs to be in its own file, ridiculous. Nested classes?

galkk 2y ago

> mandated by Java that each type needs to be in its own file, ridiculous. Each public type, but in general I agree, this is ridiculous decision.