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Firstly, Bytedance is far more than just Tiktok. Secondly, most data in China is shared among most companies anyway, because, firstly, the government (not nece

Firstly, Bytedance is far more than just Tiktok. Secondly, most data in China is shared among most companies anyway, because, firstly, the government (not necessarily CCP) orders most companies to share data with "technological leaders" and "strategically important" companies, and secondly because computer security is mostly an alien concept to Chinese. Copyright (broadly speaking, most restrictions on unrestricted dissemination if data) is what is killing the US economy.

suraci 2y ago
> computer security is mostly an alien concept to Chinese. that's the main reason i don't know how the situation is elsewhere, but in China, 2/3 of startups expose their databases on public network with a password 'abc123'
- frontfor 2y ago
  How do you know that?
  - suraci 2y ago
    i'm the one who set the password security is not a requirement for many startups, velocity is
    - nwiswell 2y ago
      > i'm the one who set the password You, personally, set the password to a public internet-facing database to 'abc123'? And if you really did, how much do you estimate that increased your 'velocity'?
      - suraci 2y ago
        you built a internal project, co-hosted with a database, with a password 'abc123' a month later, your manager decided to share it with other teams, the decision was made in a meeting which you're not invited when the manager came to you, you asked: - how about give me a week to make it a saas, with authn/authz - no, we don't have the time, just tell them the endpoint and the password another month later, something changed, your company built a partership with another company, your manager decided to share the project with teams in the other company you asked: - how about we do something like virtual network peering so that we can share a connected network with our parter - it's complex, we can not change the network status of our partner, and we don't have a responsible role for this work, just give them the endpoint and the password password 'abc123' is just a analogy, in this case, there's no password at all
        aboardRat4 2y ago
        And virtual network peering requires a license in China anyway.
        xarope 2y ago
        I literally can hear Jimmy Yang as Jian Yang in Silicon Valley narrate this...!
    - jeswin 2y ago
      I have no idea why people are downvoting first-hand information. Take an upvote!
powerapple 2y ago
loads of rubbish XD The government does not know what data is important, and most time does not know who is technological leader
- aboardRat4 2y ago
  Of course they don't know, but they really don't have to. They designate who is strategic, and those designated strategic tell them what kind of data they need.
  - powerapple 2y ago
    if you really want to understand how Chinese government works, you need to read the book "The Lean Startup".

suraci 2y ago

> computer security is mostly an alien concept to Chinese. that's the main reason i don't know how the situation is elsewhere, but in China, 2/3 of startups expose their databases on public network with a password 'abc123'

frontfor 2y ago
How do you know that?
- suraci 2y ago
  i'm the one who set the password security is not a requirement for many startups, velocity is
  - nwiswell 2y ago
    > i'm the one who set the password You, personally, set the password to a public internet-facing database to 'abc123'? And if you really did, how much do you estimate that increased your 'velocity'?
    - suraci 2y ago
      you built a internal project, co-hosted with a database, with a password 'abc123' a month later, your manager decided to share it with other teams, the decision was made in a meeting which you're not invited when the manager came to you, you asked: - how about give me a week to make it a saas, with authn/authz - no, we don't have the time, just tell them the endpoint and the password another month later, something changed, your company built a partership with another company, your manager decided to share the project with teams in the other company you asked: - how about we do something like virtual network peering so that we can share a connected network with our parter - it's complex, we can not change the network status of our partner, and we don't have a responsible role for this work, just give them the endpoint and the password password 'abc123' is just a analogy, in this case, there's no password at all
      - aboardRat4 2y ago
        And virtual network peering requires a license in China anyway.
      - xarope 2y ago
        I literally can hear Jimmy Yang as Jian Yang in Silicon Valley narrate this...!
  - jeswin 2y ago
    I have no idea why people are downvoting first-hand information. Take an upvote!

powerapple 2y ago

loads of rubbish XD The government does not know what data is important, and most time does not know who is technological leader

aboardRat4 2y ago
Of course they don't know, but they really don't have to. They designate who is strategic, and those designated strategic tell them what kind of data they need.
- powerapple 2y ago
  if you really want to understand how Chinese government works, you need to read the book "The Lean Startup".