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Reminder on various DeepSeek problems: 1. DeepSeek is full of propaganda/censorship (https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/01/the-questions-the-chinese-government-do

Reminder on various DeepSeek problems: 1. DeepSeek is full of propaganda/censorship (https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/01/the-questions-the-chinese-government-doesnt-want-deepseek-ai-to-answer/ https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/01/the-questions-the-chinese...) 2. They already had a serious security and privacy issue when they left their database wide open and leaked everyone’s chat history (https://www.wiz.io/blog/wiz-research-uncovers-exposed-deepseek-database-leak https://www.wiz.io/blog/wiz-research-uncovers-exposed-deepse... ) 3. Multiple teams of security researchers found code that links DeepSeek to the Chinese government through China Mobile, who is banned from operating in the US (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/researchers-link-deepseeks-chatbot-to-chinese-mobile-telecom-banned-from-operating-in-u-s https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/researchers-link-deepseek...) 4. Other countries like South Korea are banning DeepSeek already over privacy concerns (https://mashable.com/article/south-korea-blocks-deepseek https://mashable.com/article/south-korea-blocks-deepseek) Trump needs to enforce PAFACA and ban TikTok, but also ban DeepSeek, which has the same exact issues since it is also effectively operated by a foreign adversary and poses various security threats.

gruez 2y ago
>1. DeepSeek is full of propaganda/censorship (https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/01/the-questions-the-chinese https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/01/the-questions-the-chinese...) Your source doesn't even mention "propaganda". Moreover, while censorship is concerning is concerning, I don't see how that practically affects users. If I want to know how to center a div, who cares if it's cagey about what happened in 1989? "Western" AI is also arguably full of "propaganda/censorship". Remember when chatgpt just came out, and conservatives were lambasting it for being "woke"? >3. Multiple teams of security researchers found code that links DeepSeek to the Chinese government through China Mobile, who is banned from operating in the US (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/researchers-link-deepseek https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/researchers-link-deepseek...) Seems like a nothingburger? "Neither Feroot nor the other researchers observed data transferred to China Mobile when testing logins in North America, but they could not rule out that data for some users was being transferred to the Chinese telecom." >4. Other countries like South Korea are banning DeepSeek already over privacy concerns (https://mashable.com/article/south-korea-blocks-deepseek https://mashable.com/article/south-korea-blocks-deepseek) That's what this thread is about. Many commenters have mentioned why South Korea's actions were dumb.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  > "Western" AI is also arguably full of "propaganda/censorship". Remember when chatgpt just came out, and conservatives were lambasting it for being "woke"? Clearly a false equivalence. You think government propaganda compelled by a dictatorship with access to a military and nukes is the same thing?
  - vaidhy 2y ago
    Which government are you talking about? Like the US banned tiktok because Israel did not like it [1]? Let us be honest here.. China censors directly. US censors indirectly through the private companies [2] and through covert use of force [3]. If you had a pro-Russian stance in 2022 or pro-Palestine stance, you will see your content censored in very subtle ways in US. 1. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/tiktok-ban-fueled-by-israel-not-china https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/tiktok-ban-fueled-by-israe... 2. https://indi.ca/why-i-left-medium-they-defenestrated-me/ https://indi.ca/why-i-left-medium-they-defenestrated-me/ 3. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-fbi-knocked-on-my-door https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-fbi-knocked-on-my-door It is surprising how people in US cannot see the disinformation campaign they are being subjected to.

gruez 2y ago

>1. DeepSeek is full of propaganda/censorship (https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/01/the-questions-the-chinese https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/01/the-questions-the-chinese...) Your source doesn't even mention "propaganda". Moreover, while censorship is concerning is concerning, I don't see how that practically affects users. If I want to know how to center a div, who cares if it's cagey about what happened in 1989? "Western" AI is also arguably full of "propaganda/censorship". Remember when chatgpt just came out, and conservatives were lambasting it for being "woke"? >3. Multiple teams of security researchers found code that links DeepSeek to the Chinese government through China Mobile, who is banned from operating in the US (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/researchers-link-deepseek https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/researchers-link-deepseek...) Seems like a nothingburger? "Neither Feroot nor the other researchers observed data transferred to China Mobile when testing logins in North America, but they could not rule out that data for some users was being transferred to the Chinese telecom." >4. Other countries like South Korea are banning DeepSeek already over privacy concerns (https://mashable.com/article/south-korea-blocks-deepseek https://mashable.com/article/south-korea-blocks-deepseek) That's what this thread is about. Many commenters have mentioned why South Korea's actions were dumb.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
> "Western" AI is also arguably full of "propaganda/censorship". Remember when chatgpt just came out, and conservatives were lambasting it for being "woke"? Clearly a false equivalence. You think government propaganda compelled by a dictatorship with access to a military and nukes is the same thing?
- vaidhy 2y ago
  Which government are you talking about? Like the US banned tiktok because Israel did not like it [1]? Let us be honest here.. China censors directly. US censors indirectly through the private companies [2] and through covert use of force [3]. If you had a pro-Russian stance in 2022 or pro-Palestine stance, you will see your content censored in very subtle ways in US. 1. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/tiktok-ban-fueled-by-israel-not-china https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/tiktok-ban-fueled-by-israe... 2. https://indi.ca/why-i-left-medium-they-defenestrated-me/ https://indi.ca/why-i-left-medium-they-defenestrated-me/ 3. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-fbi-knocked-on-my-door https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-fbi-knocked-on-my-door It is surprising how people in US cannot see the disinformation campaign they are being subjected to.