Yeah exactly, Leigh goes for what's been termed jhana-lite while Ajahn Brahm basically says if you don't see a nimita it's not legit. Maybe he's right, maybe he

Yeah exactly, Leigh goes for what's been termed jhana-lite while Ajahn Brahm basically says if you don't see a nimita it's not legit. Maybe he's right, maybe he's just keeping it more elitist, or just swayed by the fact he's living a monastic lifestyle unlike Brasington (except on retreat), so accesses deeper states. But Leigh is no slouch and says he's been to all jhanas countless times (but also says he's not awake so...). That's the distinction he makes from those two parts of the canon, and argues that jhana lite is what the Buddha taught. For me, either of them would be an improvement over my normal waking state, so I'm not too concerned. But yeah, it's good to be aware of both perspectives, that's why i suggested them.