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Electricity costs vary region to region, as well as the proportion of clean energy sources that power the local grid. I am lucky to live in the US Northwest wh

Electricity costs vary region to region, as well as the proportion of clean energy sources that power the local grid. I am lucky to live in the US Northwest where there is a very high percentage of hydro-electric and wind powering our grid and our electricity costs are comparatively low (now ~$0.20 per kwh) -- note the large number of data centers headquartered in Central Oregon. Also note, the region (Oregon and Washington principally) is a net exporter of electricity. I drove a Nissan Leaf for 8 1/2 years, and have driven a Tesla Model Y for 4, and the cost of ownership for both vehicles are significantly less than any ICE vehicle I have ever operated. Surprisingly, the Tesla is actually somewhat more efficient in my experience than the 2012 Leaf, particularly on the highway, despite weighing considerably more. I almost always (95%+) charge at home. Admittedly, our electricity costs were significantly lower (~$0.12) for many years before the recent rate hikes.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
In Washington, at $0.10 per kWh, over 200k miles, the Model Y at $42k was the same cost as a Highlander or equivalent $50k to $60k car. Due to higher tire costs and depreciation. And Washington has some of the highest gas prices in the country. However, Model Y was still preferable to buy since it's so convenient to charge at home, and it is convenient to never have to do oil changes and all that crap. Plus it drives much better than a Highlander or equivalent ICE. If only it had CarPlay. But if my electricity costs were like California or NYC, I would easily opt for a hybrid ICE.
- smoovb 2y ago
  Am paying 0.044 per kWh with super off peak timed home charging 11pm - 7am in Washington.
jp191919 2y ago
Some places in eastern Washington only pay $.02/kwh! I'm in a medium sized city in the northwest I pay $.08/kwh. It's substantially cheaper to operate my Model 3 than my previous BMW 335d ($.02/mile vs $.16/mile)
- vel0city 2y ago
  > Some places in eastern Washington only pay $.02/kwh! I'm in a medium sized city in the northwest I pay $.08/kwh. Is that after delivery costs? Half my bill is paying for the delivery.
  - jp191919 2y ago
    For me it's Energy Charge: $0.045351 per kilowatt-hour (kWh) for all energy consumed. Delivery Charge: $0.038207 per kWh for all energy delivered. Customer Charge: $17.90 per month for single residences and individually metered apartments. Douglas county PUD in eastern WA is Basic Charge: $15.07 per month. Energy Charge: $0.0233 per kilowatt-hour (kWh) for the first 25,000 kWh per month.
rstuart4133 2y ago
Renewables (but solar in particular) and EV's are a marriage made in heaven. Where I live electricity is about $0.32/kWh. But if you sign up for the EV plan, charging the EV costs $0.07/kWh. It's because of renewables. Their unreliability means they over provision. Over provisioning means were I live they drive the wholesale cost of electricity negative most days (but it skyrockets when the sun ain't shining and the wind ain't blowing). The $.07/kWh plan charges EV's when the electricity wholesale price is negative (so you have to hand over control of the charging port to the electricity company). If you live in an area with a lot of solar, the solar duck curve means most days the price does indeed go negative.
insane_dreamer 2y ago
Check if your provider offers time-of-use rates. We pay $0.07/Kwh to charge at night. Full charge is ~$5 or 10x less than a tank of gas. Never going back to ICE.

lotsofpulp 2y ago

In Washington, at $0.10 per kWh, over 200k miles, the Model Y at $42k was the same cost as a Highlander or equivalent $50k to $60k car. Due to higher tire costs and depreciation. And Washington has some of the highest gas prices in the country. However, Model Y was still preferable to buy since it's so convenient to charge at home, and it is convenient to never have to do oil changes and all that crap. Plus it drives much better than a Highlander or equivalent ICE. If only it had CarPlay. But if my electricity costs were like California or NYC, I would easily opt for a hybrid ICE.

smoovb 2y ago
Am paying 0.044 per kWh with super off peak timed home charging 11pm - 7am in Washington.

jp191919 2y ago

Some places in eastern Washington only pay $.02/kwh! I'm in a medium sized city in the northwest I pay $.08/kwh. It's substantially cheaper to operate my Model 3 than my previous BMW 335d ($.02/mile vs $.16/mile)

vel0city 2y ago
> Some places in eastern Washington only pay $.02/kwh! I'm in a medium sized city in the northwest I pay $.08/kwh. Is that after delivery costs? Half my bill is paying for the delivery.
- jp191919 2y ago
  For me it's Energy Charge: $0.045351 per kilowatt-hour (kWh) for all energy consumed. Delivery Charge: $0.038207 per kWh for all energy delivered. Customer Charge: $17.90 per month for single residences and individually metered apartments. Douglas county PUD in eastern WA is Basic Charge: $15.07 per month. Energy Charge: $0.0233 per kilowatt-hour (kWh) for the first 25,000 kWh per month.

rstuart4133 2y ago

Renewables (but solar in particular) and EV's are a marriage made in heaven. Where I live electricity is about $0.32/kWh. But if you sign up for the EV plan, charging the EV costs $0.07/kWh. It's because of renewables. Their unreliability means they over provision. Over provisioning means were I live they drive the wholesale cost of electricity negative most days (but it skyrockets when the sun ain't shining and the wind ain't blowing). The $.07/kWh plan charges EV's when the electricity wholesale price is negative (so you have to hand over control of the charging port to the electricity company). If you live in an area with a lot of solar, the solar duck curve means most days the price does indeed go negative.

insane_dreamer 2y ago

Check if your provider offers time-of-use rates. We pay $0.07/Kwh to charge at night. Full charge is ~$5 or 10x less than a tank of gas. Never going back to ICE.