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Yep. I rent and for me that makes EVs not an option. I do see two people in my parking garage have plug in hybrids and charge from 120 volt outlets. I don't kno

Yep. I rent and for me that makes EVs not an option. I do see two people in my parking garage have plug in hybrids and charge from 120 volt outlets. I don't know if they actually have permission to use the outlets.

dangus 2y ago
Sounds like EVs are an option for you.
- UltraSane 2y ago
  plug in hybrids are but a lot of EV purists despise them.
  - entropicdrifter 2y ago
    They have a lot of added mechanical complexity, which makes them likely to have shorter lifespans than pure EVs, but they can be quite good in the right circumstances
    - UltraSane 2y ago
      They make a lot of sense when the battery range is more than your round trip commute OR one way commute and you can charge at work.
bryanlarsen 2y ago
I know several people that charge their EV's from 120V outlets and do just fine. They planned on installing a faster charger, got an expensive quote for the installation so delayed and then just realized that 120V was good enough for them.
- coldpie 2y ago
  We got our first EV last month (2025 Hyundai Ioniq 5) and we are currently doing this. It is just barely feasible if you don't drive much (< ~30mi / day?) and are home quite a lot (at least 10 contiguous hours daily, i.e. overnight). This describes us, and honestly probably a fair number of people. It also works if you are willing to stop by a fast charger for 20 minutes once or twice a month to top it back up. I was kind of expecting it to be more feasible, but after our experience, I think most people would be much happier with a L2 charger installed. We plan to have one installed once the weather warms up.
- UltraSane 2y ago
  120v is normally about 1 mile of range per hour which isn't great but is OK if you don't have to drive much. I have a 40 mile round trip commute to work.
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    You should be able to get 3-4 miles of range per hour out of 120V.
    - UltraSane 2y ago
      I have never seen anyone say they get more than 1.5 miles of range per hour.
      - bryanlarsen 2y ago
        We get 7km an hour of charging in the summer time at 120V. It's lower in the winter as some of the power goes to keeping the battery warm. It's not completely lost, though -- starting out with a warm battery results in much greater range than starting with a cold battery in the winter.
        UltraSane 2y ago
        what car?
        bryanlarsen 2y ago
        Y
      - vel0city 2y ago
        Overall I average ~3.2mi/kWh on my Mach E. The charger that came with the car has a 120v 12A mode. That's ~1.4kW. Add some charging losses, at least 1.2kW probably makes it into the battery. 1.2 * 3.2 > 1.5. Even a Lightning averages about 2mi/kWh. The Mach E isn't even that impressive in efficiency.

dangus 2y ago

Sounds like EVs are an option for you.

UltraSane 2y ago
plug in hybrids are but a lot of EV purists despise them.
- entropicdrifter 2y ago
  They have a lot of added mechanical complexity, which makes them likely to have shorter lifespans than pure EVs, but they can be quite good in the right circumstances
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    They make a lot of sense when the battery range is more than your round trip commute OR one way commute and you can charge at work.

bryanlarsen 2y ago

I know several people that charge their EV's from 120V outlets and do just fine. They planned on installing a faster charger, got an expensive quote for the installation so delayed and then just realized that 120V was good enough for them.

coldpie 2y ago
We got our first EV last month (2025 Hyundai Ioniq 5) and we are currently doing this. It is just barely feasible if you don't drive much (< ~30mi / day?) and are home quite a lot (at least 10 contiguous hours daily, i.e. overnight). This describes us, and honestly probably a fair number of people. It also works if you are willing to stop by a fast charger for 20 minutes once or twice a month to top it back up. I was kind of expecting it to be more feasible, but after our experience, I think most people would be much happier with a L2 charger installed. We plan to have one installed once the weather warms up.
UltraSane 2y ago
120v is normally about 1 mile of range per hour which isn't great but is OK if you don't have to drive much. I have a 40 mile round trip commute to work.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  You should be able to get 3-4 miles of range per hour out of 120V.
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    I have never seen anyone say they get more than 1.5 miles of range per hour.
    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      We get 7km an hour of charging in the summer time at 120V. It's lower in the winter as some of the power goes to keeping the battery warm. It's not completely lost, though -- starting out with a warm battery results in much greater range than starting with a cold battery in the winter.
      - UltraSane 2y ago
        what car?
        bryanlarsen 2y ago
        Y
    - vel0city 2y ago
      Overall I average ~3.2mi/kWh on my Mach E. The charger that came with the car has a 120v 12A mode. That's ~1.4kW. Add some charging losses, at least 1.2kW probably makes it into the battery. 1.2 * 3.2 > 1.5. Even a Lightning averages about 2mi/kWh. The Mach E isn't even that impressive in efficiency.