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> Currently, Grok Web is not accessible in the United Kingdom or the countries of the European Union. We are diligently working to extend our services to these

by pred_ 2y ago

> Currently, Grok Web is not accessible in the United Kingdom or the countries of the European Union. We are diligently working to extend our services to these regions, prioritizing compliance with local data protection and privacy laws to ensure your information remains safely secure. I suppose you can take that to mean that people who do have access to the service should not expect much in terms of data protection.

verisimi 2y ago
The EU and UK are good for data protection?
- cbg0 2y ago
  Pretty good considering there are laws around data privacy and government institutions that enforce them. Are they perfect? Of course not, but it sure is better than no laws to protect my personal data.
- diggan 2y ago
  Probably SOTA in terms of data protection today in the world. Happy to be proven otherwise.
- danparsonson 2y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regu...
sigmoid10 2y ago
There are just more regulations to comply with before a release. OpenAI's new Deep Research tool wasn't originally available in the EU either, but it was released less then a week after it came out in the US. Since the EU is a gigantic market with a lot of buying power and this release makes a strong case for people to switch over from competitors, I doubt it'll take long.
- diggan 2y ago
  > There are just more regulations to comply with before a release. If you do collect personal data and do funky stuff with it. Another approach would be to not collect that personal data until you have the right process in place, and basically be regulation-compatible out-of-the-door on day one.
  - somenameforme 2y ago
    When regulations become sufficiently burueacrafied it's extremely easy to accidentally violate them doing completely normal things. As a really random example, in California when you operate a foodcart it's not enough to just keep your area and wares in sanitary condition, instead you need a dish washing bin of a minimum of exactly 'x' inches 10.5 IIRC. A guy who was just ensuring he was preparing clean healthy food, keeping everything sanitary and all that might assume he was naturally obeying all regulations. But that assumption can cost one a big fat fine (leading to fun scenarios like a food cart vendor needing a compliance legal team), and given Musk's relationship with the EU - they'd love to crucify him him on any possible technicality they can find.
    - diggan 2y ago
      Right, that's true I suppose. But also, if you don't have a car for example, you don't need to think about the laws of how to legally drive a car, since it doesn't apply to you. Similarly, if you don't collect nor process any personal data whatsoever, directives like GDPR doesn't even apply to you, so there isn't really any way (easy or hard) to "crucify" someone on violating that.
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  - IMTDb 2y ago
    Even if you don't collect personal data, you need to comply with regulations to document properly the fact that you do not collect personal data.
sam345 2y ago
Do you mean data protection or political correctness/control of discourse protection?
- NicuCalcea 2y ago
  I think they meant data protection. You can tell by how they said "data protection".
markdog12 2y ago
Not in Canada, either :(

by pred_ 2y ago

verisimi 2y ago

The EU and UK are good for data protection?

cbg0 2y ago
Pretty good considering there are laws around data privacy and government institutions that enforce them. Are they perfect? Of course not, but it sure is better than no laws to protect my personal data.
diggan 2y ago
Probably SOTA in terms of data protection today in the world. Happy to be proven otherwise.
danparsonson 2y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regu...

sigmoid10 2y ago

There are just more regulations to comply with before a release. OpenAI's new Deep Research tool wasn't originally available in the EU either, but it was released less then a week after it came out in the US. Since the EU is a gigantic market with a lot of buying power and this release makes a strong case for people to switch over from competitors, I doubt it'll take long.

diggan 2y ago
> There are just more regulations to comply with before a release. If you do collect personal data and do funky stuff with it. Another approach would be to not collect that personal data until you have the right process in place, and basically be regulation-compatible out-of-the-door on day one.
- somenameforme 2y ago
  When regulations become sufficiently burueacrafied it's extremely easy to accidentally violate them doing completely normal things. As a really random example, in California when you operate a foodcart it's not enough to just keep your area and wares in sanitary condition, instead you need a dish washing bin of a minimum of exactly 'x' inches 10.5 IIRC. A guy who was just ensuring he was preparing clean healthy food, keeping everything sanitary and all that might assume he was naturally obeying all regulations. But that assumption can cost one a big fat fine (leading to fun scenarios like a food cart vendor needing a compliance legal team), and given Musk's relationship with the EU - they'd love to crucify him him on any possible technicality they can find.
  - diggan 2y ago
    Right, that's true I suppose. But also, if you don't have a car for example, you don't need to think about the laws of how to legally drive a car, since it doesn't apply to you. Similarly, if you don't collect nor process any personal data whatsoever, directives like GDPR doesn't even apply to you, so there isn't really any way (easy or hard) to "crucify" someone on violating that.
    - deleted 2y ago
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- IMTDb 2y ago
  Even if you don't collect personal data, you need to comply with regulations to document properly the fact that you do not collect personal data.

sam345 2y ago

Do you mean data protection or political correctness/control of discourse protection?

NicuCalcea 2y ago
I think they meant data protection. You can tell by how they said "data protection".

markdog12 2y ago

Not in Canada, either :(