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totally agree. And this is one of the reasons the EU is falling more and more behind, all the silly regulations.

cbg0 2y ago
The EU regulations are there to protect the average citizen, not to help the 1% run wild with whatever business idea they have. You personally might not like it, but the non-entrepreneurs, which is most people, are pretty satisfied that the laws in the EU are more focused on the citizen and their rights and not on boosting the shareholders' profits.
- weberer 2y ago
  How exactly am I being protected by not having access to the latest models that the rest of the world has?
  - cbg0 2y ago
    Nothing is stopping X from complying with EU regulations to make it available to you. I'd wager that they most likely lack compute capacity to make it available everywhere, not legal compliance.
    - DaiPlusPlus 2y ago
      > Nothing is stopping X from complying with EU regulations to make it available to you. Given the personalities involved, I'd wager he's doing it out of spite than for any actual legal justification. ...though if there was an actual legal risk then I'll agree the economics probably don't bear-out the risks - as someone who identifies as European I'll admit that Europeans generally pay far less money for tech/software/apps/services than Americans do[1]; salaries in Europe are also significantly below their US equivalents: paying $200/mo for OpenAI's service is a much harder sell to a London or Berlin-based SWE on €90k/yr than when you're a Bay Area type on $300k/yr. [1] e.g. If you can take Apple at their word, the EU accounts for 7% of their App Store revenue: https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/01/apple-says-eu-represents-7-of-global-app-store-revenue/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/01/apple-says-eu-represents-7... Besides, anyone in the EU who really wanted to use it can just use a VPN service.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    Libel, from all the models hallucinating things done by whatever your real name is. I mean, at least I get the advantage of being overshadowed by a famous film director with the same name as me, so nobody's going to assume anything associated with my name is actually about me… …hopefully…
- numpad0 2y ago
  > not to help the 1% run wild with whatever business idea they have. And IMHO regulating 1% doesn't hinder strategic advantages much. Otherwise China would not have came up with DeepSeek models. Regulations are fine, they just have to be "based".
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    > Regulations are fine, they just have to be "based". What? I know what "based" means, but I can't quite grok what you're saying.
pillefitz 2y ago
I'm increasingly happy we have these regulations that prevent us from being ruled by the likes of Musk.
- holoduke 2y ago
  Why? Europe is getting extremely expensive on all levels. Time for a Musk there.
  - pillefitz 2y ago
    I rather spend life in a poor democracy than a rich technocracy which supports dictators around the globe.

cbg0 2y ago

The EU regulations are there to protect the average citizen, not to help the 1% run wild with whatever business idea they have. You personally might not like it, but the non-entrepreneurs, which is most people, are pretty satisfied that the laws in the EU are more focused on the citizen and their rights and not on boosting the shareholders' profits.

weberer 2y ago
How exactly am I being protected by not having access to the latest models that the rest of the world has?
- cbg0 2y ago
  Nothing is stopping X from complying with EU regulations to make it available to you. I'd wager that they most likely lack compute capacity to make it available everywhere, not legal compliance.
  - DaiPlusPlus 2y ago
    > Nothing is stopping X from complying with EU regulations to make it available to you. Given the personalities involved, I'd wager he's doing it out of spite than for any actual legal justification. ...though if there was an actual legal risk then I'll agree the economics probably don't bear-out the risks - as someone who identifies as European I'll admit that Europeans generally pay far less money for tech/software/apps/services than Americans do[1]; salaries in Europe are also significantly below their US equivalents: paying $200/mo for OpenAI's service is a much harder sell to a London or Berlin-based SWE on €90k/yr than when you're a Bay Area type on $300k/yr. [1] e.g. If you can take Apple at their word, the EU accounts for 7% of their App Store revenue: https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/01/apple-says-eu-represents-7-of-global-app-store-revenue/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/01/apple-says-eu-represents-7... Besides, anyone in the EU who really wanted to use it can just use a VPN service.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Libel, from all the models hallucinating things done by whatever your real name is. I mean, at least I get the advantage of being overshadowed by a famous film director with the same name as me, so nobody's going to assume anything associated with my name is actually about me… …hopefully…
numpad0 2y ago
> not to help the 1% run wild with whatever business idea they have. And IMHO regulating 1% doesn't hinder strategic advantages much. Otherwise China would not have came up with DeepSeek models. Regulations are fine, they just have to be "based".
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  > Regulations are fine, they just have to be "based". What? I know what "based" means, but I can't quite grok what you're saying.

pillefitz 2y ago

I'm increasingly happy we have these regulations that prevent us from being ruled by the likes of Musk.

holoduke 2y ago
Why? Europe is getting extremely expensive on all levels. Time for a Musk there.
- pillefitz 2y ago
  I rather spend life in a poor democracy than a rich technocracy which supports dictators around the globe.