> Therefore I find the premise of this article to be flawed. Essentially all western countries (including all powers in Europe: UK, France, Germany) chose to mo

> Therefore I find the premise of this article to be flawed. Essentially all western countries (including all powers in Europe: UK, France, Germany) chose to mostly ignore their obligations toward Ukraine in international treaties, for more than a decade now. Trump is doing something bad, and so now we blame it all on Trump? Yes the western leaders chose hope in 2014 that the problem would just go away. In 2022, they didn't dare escalate to a full-scale war, but supplied Ukraine with arms and a lot of billions (to the tears of their populace). In 2025, two people with a trail of Putin fanboying/being his apologists (Trump and Musk) are "negotiating" with Putin for what's probably going to be surrender, that they'll sell as a win to their galaxy-brain followers. And they've already paused the money going into Ukraine. Good or bad isn't binary, there's different levels of it. Edit to add: looking it up (if the site hasn't been memory-holed/doge'ed): https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/21/fact-sheet-us-assistance-ukraine https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/1... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/12/07/fact-sheet-us-assistance-ukraine https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/1... https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-aid-has-helped-ukraine-since-2014 https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-ai... And then when Trump took over, as Vindman testified, Trump tried to use the help for Ukraine as leverage for them to find dirt on Biden. what a fucking class act.