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Well that's one of the wonderful things about saying "one day AI will be able to do x," you don't really need to have any evidence for some segment of the popul

Well that's one of the wonderful things about saying "one day AI will be able to do x," you don't really need to have any evidence for some segment of the population to believe it's not just plausible but inevitable.

kennysoona 2y ago
It's not just wild speculation, it's based on the observation that Lynch's style of films all fit a pattern and have certain traits, which is exactly why AI would be able to learn it and imitate it.
- rainonmoon 2y ago
  Besides this just... not really being true of Lynch's films, it also misses how a Lynch film came to be. David Lynch didn't pull out a notepad and go, "Okay, time to write a Lynch film." He just decided to make a film and made it the way that made the most sense to him. His perspective on film-making, on people, compassion, curiosity etc. led the creation. At best (and this is seriously stretching the definition of "not just wild speculation") I think it's more likely you get something that exhibits formal qualities that remind someone of some of David Lynch's works, probably a fairly incoherent and incongruous mash of tropes, like a particularly bad episode of Family Guy. I don't know if I'd even credit that with praise as dismal as "imitation", it would be more like a visual laundry list. I'd love to see something that would cause someone to believe otherwise besides "AI learned how to string a sentence together, therefore one day it will be able to learn and produce literally anything," but it eludes me.
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    > Besides this just... not really being true of Lynch's films, I'd say it is, although I can understand it is anti-thetical to what his fans get out of his films. Objectively though, I think you can certainly make a list of defining traits and show a pattern. > David Lynch didn't pull out a notepad and go, "Okay, time to write a Lynch film." He just decided to make a film and made it the way that made the most sense to him. I'm well aware, but it doesn't mean there isn't consistency or a pattern in his results. Plenty of filmmakers have a particular style and have elements that show up in anything they make allowing people to recognize their influence. > At best (and this is seriously stretching the definition of "not just wild speculation") I think it's more likely you get something that exhibits formal qualities that remind someone of some of David Lynch's works, probably a fairly incoherent and incongruous mash of tropes, like a particularly bad episode of Family Guy. So to discuss this further in detail, I think you'd need to at least try and define the ineffable qualities you think an AI wouldn't be able to recognize (keeping in mind eventually AI will be able to take things like your comment history into account to help it 'understand') to help it create something that could have been made by the man himself.

kennysoona 2y ago

It's not just wild speculation, it's based on the observation that Lynch's style of films all fit a pattern and have certain traits, which is exactly why AI would be able to learn it and imitate it.

rainonmoon 2y ago
Besides this just... not really being true of Lynch's films, it also misses how a Lynch film came to be. David Lynch didn't pull out a notepad and go, "Okay, time to write a Lynch film." He just decided to make a film and made it the way that made the most sense to him. His perspective on film-making, on people, compassion, curiosity etc. led the creation. At best (and this is seriously stretching the definition of "not just wild speculation") I think it's more likely you get something that exhibits formal qualities that remind someone of some of David Lynch's works, probably a fairly incoherent and incongruous mash of tropes, like a particularly bad episode of Family Guy. I don't know if I'd even credit that with praise as dismal as "imitation", it would be more like a visual laundry list. I'd love to see something that would cause someone to believe otherwise besides "AI learned how to string a sentence together, therefore one day it will be able to learn and produce literally anything," but it eludes me.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  > Besides this just... not really being true of Lynch's films, I'd say it is, although I can understand it is anti-thetical to what his fans get out of his films. Objectively though, I think you can certainly make a list of defining traits and show a pattern. > David Lynch didn't pull out a notepad and go, "Okay, time to write a Lynch film." He just decided to make a film and made it the way that made the most sense to him. I'm well aware, but it doesn't mean there isn't consistency or a pattern in his results. Plenty of filmmakers have a particular style and have elements that show up in anything they make allowing people to recognize their influence. > At best (and this is seriously stretching the definition of "not just wild speculation") I think it's more likely you get something that exhibits formal qualities that remind someone of some of David Lynch's works, probably a fairly incoherent and incongruous mash of tropes, like a particularly bad episode of Family Guy. So to discuss this further in detail, I think you'd need to at least try and define the ineffable qualities you think an AI wouldn't be able to recognize (keeping in mind eventually AI will be able to take things like your comment history into account to help it 'understand') to help it create something that could have been made by the man himself.