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I am not sure why people pay attention to Gary Marcus. He isn’t an expert in AI. And if you followed him in the past at all, it is obvious he has a huge amount

I am not sure why people pay attention to Gary Marcus. He isn’t an expert in AI. And if you followed him in the past at all, it is obvious he has a huge amount of political bias. It is really telling that he repeatedly goes after Elon Musk, and is now making bizarre unfounded claims about propaganda, but didn’t have nearly as much to complain about with DeepSeek, which has literal government propaganda.

sebzim4500 2y ago
I don't think it's fair to say he's making unfounded claims about propaganda, since Elon's tweet heavily implies they would release a brainwashed model. It's not his fault that Elon turned out to be lying or joking. 99% of the time though I agree with you on Gary Marcus.
bambax 2y ago
DeepSeek is an open model that can be "untrained" to be uncensored; Grok to the best of my knowledge isn't [0]. So it's much worse. [0]: What Musk has said is that when Grok 3 is "ready" (?), the previous model, Grok 2, will be released as open source; like most promises by this evil man, this one probably doesn't mean much, but it does mean that there's currently no plan to release Grok 3.
int_19h 2y ago
He is referencing a specific tweet that Musk himself made. If I were in China, I'd worry about the kind of things DeepSeek wants to censor, especially if the people who made it were also very loudly saying things like "we need more AI in our government". But I live in US.
tgv 2y ago
You don't have to be an "expert in AI". What does it require to be one, anyway? (He's a cognitive psychologist, which would make him an expert in intelligence in general, if you want to be pompous about it.) It is even unreasonable to listen to only experts in AI. It's a problem that requires more than one perspective.
- iszomer 2y ago
  Would a clinical psychologist like Jordan Peterson be equitable or are these two distinct fields in the realm of psychology? (I am not well-read into what he thinks about AI).
  - tgv 2y ago
    Clinical psychology is mainly concerned with diagnosing and treating people's psychological problems. The clinical psychologists I know don't know much about AI, but might be able to research problems stemming from its use.
ljosifov 2y ago
People like getting scared. That's how they pay billions of $$$ every year to watch mostly cr*ppy horror movies. GM has been a joke for years now. At some point his ramblings reached a GPT3.5 level, and have not improved since. It's inditement on humans' logic and reasoning to give non-zero time to GM. Alas—we are human, we are both collectively clever (Wisdom of Crowds) and collectivelly stupid (Extraordinary Popular Delusions).

sebzim4500 2y ago

I don't think it's fair to say he's making unfounded claims about propaganda, since Elon's tweet heavily implies they would release a brainwashed model. It's not his fault that Elon turned out to be lying or joking. 99% of the time though I agree with you on Gary Marcus.

bambax 2y ago

DeepSeek is an open model that can be "untrained" to be uncensored; Grok to the best of my knowledge isn't [0]. So it's much worse. [0]: What Musk has said is that when Grok 3 is "ready" (?), the previous model, Grok 2, will be released as open source; like most promises by this evil man, this one probably doesn't mean much, but it does mean that there's currently no plan to release Grok 3.

int_19h 2y ago

He is referencing a specific tweet that Musk himself made. If I were in China, I'd worry about the kind of things DeepSeek wants to censor, especially if the people who made it were also very loudly saying things like "we need more AI in our government". But I live in US.

tgv 2y ago

You don't have to be an "expert in AI". What does it require to be one, anyway? (He's a cognitive psychologist, which would make him an expert in intelligence in general, if you want to be pompous about it.) It is even unreasonable to listen to only experts in AI. It's a problem that requires more than one perspective.

iszomer 2y ago
Would a clinical psychologist like Jordan Peterson be equitable or are these two distinct fields in the realm of psychology? (I am not well-read into what he thinks about AI).
- tgv 2y ago
  Clinical psychology is mainly concerned with diagnosing and treating people's psychological problems. The clinical psychologists I know don't know much about AI, but might be able to research problems stemming from its use.

ljosifov 2y ago

People like getting scared. That's how they pay billions of $$$ every year to watch mostly cr*ppy horror movies. GM has been a joke for years now. At some point his ramblings reached a GPT3.5 level, and have not improved since. It's inditement on humans' logic and reasoning to give non-zero time to GM. Alas—we are human, we are both collectively clever (Wisdom of Crowds) and collectivelly stupid (Extraordinary Popular Delusions).