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Baffled at what kind of garbage drill this guy has that won't take an arbor adaptor for a hole saw. I cut all kinds of holes in my current place with a brushles

Baffled at what kind of garbage drill this guy has that won't take an arbor adaptor for a hole saw. I cut all kinds of holes in my current place with a brushless Dewalt combi that was <£100 on sale.

xxs 2y ago
Dewalt is prosumer (i.e. on the high end). The not taking part is likely 10mm chuck, even though the twist drill for hole saw tend to be 8mm. One the pictures has a 10mm plastic chuck. Lots of hole saw have even 6.3mm (the 1/4) hex drive for impact drivers. Other than that it's quite baffling the guy had rather poor tools, and likely kept buying low quality tools too. Yet, he was very determined.
- walthamstow 2y ago
  > rather poor tools ... Yet, he was very determined. Accurate description of me as a programmer tbh
  - int_19h 2y ago
    That's how you get the JavaScript ecosystem.
- m463 2y ago
  plumber did an install for me and had a super-expensive dewalt tool... It could attach copper pipes to each other using pressure instead of getting out a torch and brazing. pretty amazing. EDIT: this one: ($3000!) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011HX3HI0 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011HX3HI0
  - lnsru 2y ago
    These tools cost here ~1200€ and are not expensive at all. Nobody in a trade job wants to mess with a torch, gas cans, dirty paste and soldering chemicals all day anymore. It takes seconds instead of minutes for one pressed connection. Ok, pressed connections are thicker than soldered, but doesn’t matter for most cases. Obviously as a hobby builder I can toy half day with torch and solder paste for 40 connections in my house.
  - xxs 2y ago
    copper pipes are not popular in this part of the pond (not any longer at least, outside gas). The most common domestic pipes are "pex/aluminum/pex" type which are designed for crimping and bending (by hand). Other than that it makes a lot sense to go w/ crimping if possible - quite surprised it's rated up to 2".
    - chefandy 2y ago
      You use copper pipes for gas? Interesting. In the US we use iron.
      - walthamstow 2y ago
        I have steel pipes for my central heating flow (UK) because my house was built during a copper shortage in the late 1960s. Every plumber has said they're a nightmare to work with compared to soft copper.
        chefandy 2y ago
        I imagine they’re much more difficult to work with but I don’t think copper meets code for gas in the US for some reason.
        xxs 2y ago
        The story I know is that US gas (used to) cause corrosion of the Cu pipes. I don't have a gas line (in the house), so no recent installation - and of course I won't be installing a gas line on my silly-own (while I can go by and do some plumbing for the water). Yet, if i see a tiny (8mm) copper tube I'm quite confident, it's for the gas.
        chefandy 2y ago
        Perhaps a relic of the days of manufactured coal-based gas that they kept because there was already so much infrastructure. Out of curiosity I’ve been trying to see if the local steam utility offers new supply connections but I don’t see anything.
margalabargala 2y ago
Yeah, they absolutely make large hole saws with 1/4" chucks, which is the standard for basically any cordless drill bought in the US. Sounds like the hardware store guy maybe sold him the wrong thing.
xg15 2y ago
I know those kind of drills since I bought one at IKEA. It looked more like a slightly beefed-up electric screwdriver and I was surprised you can actually drill into walls it it. But what I'm baffled is that this kind of stuff is now the standard for "consumer-grade" drills, while the normal ones with power cords are "professional-grade"? When did that happen?
- seb1204 2y ago
  The market signalled it is ok to sell the more crappy version.
  - xg15 2y ago
    "It's what the customers want"
PeterStuer 2y ago
Same. Even the cheapest drill I have for dirty jobs does this with no problem whatsoever.
mattlondon 2y ago
+1 I have a "toy" 12v cordless Bosch drill (small ~cylindrical battery in the handle and not the square ones hanging underneath that you see in non-toy drills) that was approx the same price and I did pretty much exactly this same thing of drilling a 60mm hole through the side of a kitchen cabinet and it didn't even blink. The drill is a bit of a beast through for such a toy - I have drilled 16mm bits directly though double skin brick walls using it (installing external socket + fused spur) so not sure what level of crapness it takes to be below the toy drill I have.
- walthamstow 2y ago
  Blimey, 12V battery in the handle and you're getting that kind of mileage out of it, fair play!
chefandy 2y ago
Yeah same. I’ve got an extra drill that was free with any purchase from harbor freight (but normally sells for like $15) that I’ve used with a 2” hole saw several times for cord management. Maybe the poster had a drill-shaped electric screwdriver rather than a drill-driver?

Baffled at what kind of garbage drill this guy has that won't take an arbor adaptor for a hole saw. I cut all kinds of holes in my current place with a brushless Dewalt combi that was <£100 on sale.

xxs 2y ago

Dewalt is prosumer (i.e. on the high end). The not taking part is likely 10mm chuck, even though the twist drill for hole saw tend to be 8mm. One the pictures has a 10mm plastic chuck. Lots of hole saw have even 6.3mm (the 1/4) hex drive for impact drivers. Other than that it's quite baffling the guy had rather poor tools, and likely kept buying low quality tools too. Yet, he was very determined.

walthamstow 2y ago
> rather poor tools ... Yet, he was very determined. Accurate description of me as a programmer tbh
- int_19h 2y ago
  That's how you get the JavaScript ecosystem.
m463 2y ago
plumber did an install for me and had a super-expensive dewalt tool... It could attach copper pipes to each other using pressure instead of getting out a torch and brazing. pretty amazing. EDIT: this one: ($3000!) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011HX3HI0 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011HX3HI0
- lnsru 2y ago
  These tools cost here ~1200€ and are not expensive at all. Nobody in a trade job wants to mess with a torch, gas cans, dirty paste and soldering chemicals all day anymore. It takes seconds instead of minutes for one pressed connection. Ok, pressed connections are thicker than soldered, but doesn’t matter for most cases. Obviously as a hobby builder I can toy half day with torch and solder paste for 40 connections in my house.
- xxs 2y ago
  copper pipes are not popular in this part of the pond (not any longer at least, outside gas). The most common domestic pipes are "pex/aluminum/pex" type which are designed for crimping and bending (by hand). Other than that it makes a lot sense to go w/ crimping if possible - quite surprised it's rated up to 2".
  - chefandy 2y ago
    You use copper pipes for gas? Interesting. In the US we use iron.
    - walthamstow 2y ago
      I have steel pipes for my central heating flow (UK) because my house was built during a copper shortage in the late 1960s. Every plumber has said they're a nightmare to work with compared to soft copper.
      - chefandy 2y ago
        I imagine they’re much more difficult to work with but I don’t think copper meets code for gas in the US for some reason.
        xxs 2y ago
        The story I know is that US gas (used to) cause corrosion of the Cu pipes. I don't have a gas line (in the house), so no recent installation - and of course I won't be installing a gas line on my silly-own (while I can go by and do some plumbing for the water). Yet, if i see a tiny (8mm) copper tube I'm quite confident, it's for the gas.
        chefandy 2y ago
        Perhaps a relic of the days of manufactured coal-based gas that they kept because there was already so much infrastructure. Out of curiosity I’ve been trying to see if the local steam utility offers new supply connections but I don’t see anything.

margalabargala 2y ago

Yeah, they absolutely make large hole saws with 1/4" chucks, which is the standard for basically any cordless drill bought in the US. Sounds like the hardware store guy maybe sold him the wrong thing.

xg15 2y ago

I know those kind of drills since I bought one at IKEA. It looked more like a slightly beefed-up electric screwdriver and I was surprised you can actually drill into walls it it. But what I'm baffled is that this kind of stuff is now the standard for "consumer-grade" drills, while the normal ones with power cords are "professional-grade"? When did that happen?

seb1204 2y ago
The market signalled it is ok to sell the more crappy version.
- xg15 2y ago
  "It's what the customers want"

PeterStuer 2y ago

Same. Even the cheapest drill I have for dirty jobs does this with no problem whatsoever.

mattlondon 2y ago

+1 I have a "toy" 12v cordless Bosch drill (small ~cylindrical battery in the handle and not the square ones hanging underneath that you see in non-toy drills) that was approx the same price and I did pretty much exactly this same thing of drilling a 60mm hole through the side of a kitchen cabinet and it didn't even blink. The drill is a bit of a beast through for such a toy - I have drilled 16mm bits directly though double skin brick walls using it (installing external socket + fused spur) so not sure what level of crapness it takes to be below the toy drill I have.

walthamstow 2y ago
Blimey, 12V battery in the handle and you're getting that kind of mileage out of it, fair play!

chefandy 2y ago

Yeah same. I’ve got an extra drill that was free with any purchase from harbor freight (but normally sells for like $15) that I’ve used with a 2” hole saw several times for cord management. Maybe the poster had a drill-shaped electric screwdriver rather than a drill-driver?