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I saw a report that it was after touchdown. I’m guessing wind, ice, or something else moved the plane off the centerline and into a crab, it hooked a wheel off

I saw a report that it was after touchdown. I’m guessing wind, ice, or something else moved the plane off the centerline and into a crab, it hooked a wheel off the pavement, and cartwheeled. 100% conjecture at this point, just seems like a possible chain of events.

voisin 2y ago
Toronto Pearson had wind gusts of 60km/h today. Edit: listing to the ATC audio I think they said gusts in the 30s (man do they ever speak fast and mumble! Enunciate damn it! Unique New York), which is markedly slower than what the Apple Weather app reported for Pearson.
- petschge 2y ago
  Remember that ATC will give wind speeds in knots, not km/h.
  - voisin 2y ago
    Doh! My mistake. Thanks for pointing that out
- shazeline 2y ago
  It was gusting at 33kts. 33kt/hr * 1.15mi/kt * 1.609km/mi ~= 61km/hr. The weather app was right. Just different units.
  - voisin 2y ago
    Whoops of course! My mistake
WalterBright 2y ago
Too bad the airport couldn't find the funds to put a dash cam in the tower. Grump grump grump.
- loloquwowndueo 2y ago
  They have the video, they’re just not in a rush to release it to grumps like you :)
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    We'll see. How come we never see tower video of other crashes?
    - throwup238 2y ago
      Because the press doesn’t publicize NTSB reports months after the crash. It doesn’t have the same sensational draw to earn clicks. Look up the NTSB docket management system where they release all the reports (just be aware that they list photos as “Text/Image” but videos as “Other”).
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      We do? https://people.com/new-video-dc-plane-crash-shows-final-seconds-before-collision-8784031 https://people.com/new-video-dc-plane-crash-shows-final-seco... was an airport camera, IIRC.
      - WalterBright 2y ago
        That clip was shot by an amatuer with a hand-held camera, it isn't an airport camera.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        No; this was the second to come out that night.
        WalterBright 2y ago
        Look at the movement of the frame - it's hand held.

voisin 2y ago

Toronto Pearson had wind gusts of 60km/h today. Edit: listing to the ATC audio I think they said gusts in the 30s (man do they ever speak fast and mumble! Enunciate damn it! Unique New York), which is markedly slower than what the Apple Weather app reported for Pearson.

petschge 2y ago
Remember that ATC will give wind speeds in knots, not km/h.
- voisin 2y ago
  Doh! My mistake. Thanks for pointing that out
shazeline 2y ago
It was gusting at 33kts. 33kt/hr * 1.15mi/kt * 1.609km/mi ~= 61km/hr. The weather app was right. Just different units.
- voisin 2y ago
  Whoops of course! My mistake

WalterBright 2y ago

Too bad the airport couldn't find the funds to put a dash cam in the tower. Grump grump grump.

loloquwowndueo 2y ago
They have the video, they’re just not in a rush to release it to grumps like you :)
- WalterBright 2y ago
  We'll see. How come we never see tower video of other crashes?
  - throwup238 2y ago
    Because the press doesn’t publicize NTSB reports months after the crash. It doesn’t have the same sensational draw to earn clicks. Look up the NTSB docket management system where they release all the reports (just be aware that they list photos as “Text/Image” but videos as “Other”).
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    We do? https://people.com/new-video-dc-plane-crash-shows-final-seconds-before-collision-8784031 https://people.com/new-video-dc-plane-crash-shows-final-seco... was an airport camera, IIRC.
    - WalterBright 2y ago
      That clip was shot by an amatuer with a hand-held camera, it isn't an airport camera.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        No; this was the second to come out that night.
        WalterBright 2y ago
        Look at the movement of the frame - it's hand held.