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This actually seems far less likely than for other directors. Lynch's style is so idiosyncratic it has its own name. AI has predominantly been good at synthesiz

This actually seems far less likely than for other directors. Lynch's style is so idiosyncratic it has its own name. AI has predominantly been good at synthesizing a broad gesture at a wide range of styles. Not really suited for recreating the effect of such a singular artist.

rdtsc 2y ago
That's why I think it's a better challenge. AIs can create generic looking scenes but trying to do something that looks like a unique director style is more interesting.
- rainonmoon 2y ago
  A lot of people in this thread have an extremely facile understanding of art, David Lynch, and the capabilities of generative AI, but I look forward to someone returning to this thread in 10 or 100 years or whatever to link me to a convincing example.
  - rdtsc 2y ago
    > A lot of people in this thread have an extremely facile understanding of art, I don't think anyone would deny Lynch had his own, distinct Lynch-ian stye. A lot of people probably can't describe it clearly in words but they'll recognize when they see it. So I think it's plausible LLMs "getting the gist" of the style and asking them to generate something "Lynch-ian" might just work. I propose a Turing test for it. Show a bunch of people unfamiliar with most of his work some of his works mixed in with some generated, and see if they could tell which is which. It will fail today, but I think in 10 years we'll get there, even if not sooner.
kennysoona 2y ago
His style is being ambiguous and surreal, making everything dream like. It has a pattern just lie anything else and I think AI would be able to emulate and apply it just fine.
- rainonmoon 2y ago
  Well that's one of the wonderful things about saying "one day AI will be able to do x," you don't really need to have any evidence for some segment of the population to believe it's not just plausible but inevitable.
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    It's not just wild speculation, it's based on the observation that Lynch's style of films all fit a pattern and have certain traits, which is exactly why AI would be able to learn it and imitate it.
    - rainonmoon 2y ago
      Besides this just... not really being true of Lynch's films, it also misses how a Lynch film came to be. David Lynch didn't pull out a notepad and go, "Okay, time to write a Lynch film." He just decided to make a film and made it the way that made the most sense to him. His perspective on film-making, on people, compassion, curiosity etc. led the creation. At best (and this is seriously stretching the definition of "not just wild speculation") I think it's more likely you get something that exhibits formal qualities that remind someone of some of David Lynch's works, probably a fairly incoherent and incongruous mash of tropes, like a particularly bad episode of Family Guy. I don't know if I'd even credit that with praise as dismal as "imitation", it would be more like a visual laundry list. I'd love to see something that would cause someone to believe otherwise besides "AI learned how to string a sentence together, therefore one day it will be able to learn and produce literally anything," but it eludes me.
      - kennysoona 2y ago
        > Besides this just... not really being true of Lynch's films, I'd say it is, although I can understand it is anti-thetical to what his fans get out of his films. Objectively though, I think you can certainly make a list of defining traits and show a pattern. > David Lynch didn't pull out a notepad and go, "Okay, time to write a Lynch film." He just decided to make a film and made it the way that made the most sense to him. I'm well aware, but it doesn't mean there isn't consistency or a pattern in his results. Plenty of filmmakers have a particular style and have elements that show up in anything they make allowing people to recognize their influence. > At best (and this is seriously stretching the definition of "not just wild speculation") I think it's more likely you get something that exhibits formal qualities that remind someone of some of David Lynch's works, probably a fairly incoherent and incongruous mash of tropes, like a particularly bad episode of Family Guy. So to discuss this further in detail, I think you'd need to at least try and define the ineffable qualities you think an AI wouldn't be able to recognize (keeping in mind eventually AI will be able to take things like your comment history into account to help it 'understand') to help it create something that could have been made by the man himself.

rdtsc 2y ago

That's why I think it's a better challenge. AIs can create generic looking scenes but trying to do something that looks like a unique director style is more interesting.

rainonmoon 2y ago
A lot of people in this thread have an extremely facile understanding of art, David Lynch, and the capabilities of generative AI, but I look forward to someone returning to this thread in 10 or 100 years or whatever to link me to a convincing example.
- rdtsc 2y ago
  > A lot of people in this thread have an extremely facile understanding of art, I don't think anyone would deny Lynch had his own, distinct Lynch-ian stye. A lot of people probably can't describe it clearly in words but they'll recognize when they see it. So I think it's plausible LLMs "getting the gist" of the style and asking them to generate something "Lynch-ian" might just work. I propose a Turing test for it. Show a bunch of people unfamiliar with most of his work some of his works mixed in with some generated, and see if they could tell which is which. It will fail today, but I think in 10 years we'll get there, even if not sooner.

kennysoona 2y ago

His style is being ambiguous and surreal, making everything dream like. It has a pattern just lie anything else and I think AI would be able to emulate and apply it just fine.

rainonmoon 2y ago
Well that's one of the wonderful things about saying "one day AI will be able to do x," you don't really need to have any evidence for some segment of the population to believe it's not just plausible but inevitable.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  It's not just wild speculation, it's based on the observation that Lynch's style of films all fit a pattern and have certain traits, which is exactly why AI would be able to learn it and imitate it.
  - rainonmoon 2y ago
    Besides this just... not really being true of Lynch's films, it also misses how a Lynch film came to be. David Lynch didn't pull out a notepad and go, "Okay, time to write a Lynch film." He just decided to make a film and made it the way that made the most sense to him. His perspective on film-making, on people, compassion, curiosity etc. led the creation. At best (and this is seriously stretching the definition of "not just wild speculation") I think it's more likely you get something that exhibits formal qualities that remind someone of some of David Lynch's works, probably a fairly incoherent and incongruous mash of tropes, like a particularly bad episode of Family Guy. I don't know if I'd even credit that with praise as dismal as "imitation", it would be more like a visual laundry list. I'd love to see something that would cause someone to believe otherwise besides "AI learned how to string a sentence together, therefore one day it will be able to learn and produce literally anything," but it eludes me.
    - kennysoona 2y ago
      > Besides this just... not really being true of Lynch's films, I'd say it is, although I can understand it is anti-thetical to what his fans get out of his films. Objectively though, I think you can certainly make a list of defining traits and show a pattern. > David Lynch didn't pull out a notepad and go, "Okay, time to write a Lynch film." He just decided to make a film and made it the way that made the most sense to him. I'm well aware, but it doesn't mean there isn't consistency or a pattern in his results. Plenty of filmmakers have a particular style and have elements that show up in anything they make allowing people to recognize their influence. > At best (and this is seriously stretching the definition of "not just wild speculation") I think it's more likely you get something that exhibits formal qualities that remind someone of some of David Lynch's works, probably a fairly incoherent and incongruous mash of tropes, like a particularly bad episode of Family Guy. So to discuss this further in detail, I think you'd need to at least try and define the ineffable qualities you think an AI wouldn't be able to recognize (keeping in mind eventually AI will be able to take things like your comment history into account to help it 'understand') to help it create something that could have been made by the man himself.