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If a 5% layoff that sets them back to 2022 levels of headcount leads to chaos, maybe the problem is much deeper.

by umeshunni 2y ago

computerthings 2y ago
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- paleotrope 2y ago
  "Malicious compliance" then.
  - computerthings 2y ago
    Malicious compliance what? And what did my comment get flagged for?
tzs 2y ago
Did you miss the part about hiring being frozen so that they cannot hire the several hundred seasonal workers that they would normally be hiring now to handle the summer load?
Projectiboga 2y ago
5% of total staff mostly frontline crew, could cause chaos. Especially if under staffed already.
TheCleric 2y ago
It will if they are at 150% of 2022 attendance (which they were in 2024).
fzeroracer 2y ago
Point me towards any company and order me to lay off 5% of individuals up to my own personal discretion and I guarantee you I can find a way to break it.
gosub100 2y ago
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- genewitch 2y ago
  Yeah I don't get it. I've slept in national parks that were closed. Don't leave trash don't start a stupid fire how hard is this?
maxerickson 2y ago
It can be that they were already understaffed in 2022. You aren't making the pat argument you want to be making.
snowwrestler 2y ago
The problem is for sure much deeper: chronic underfunding meets up with a surge in demand. That is the story of the National Parks since 2020. When I visited Glacier in 2019, rangers there told me the park was nearly at capacity. The parking lot at Logan Pass was full by 8am every day. They were hoping to convert Going To The Sun Road to bus-only, the way Zion did. But I took the bus one day and the wait was over an hour. Not enough buses and not enough drivers. And that was before the post-COVID surge in visitors. Or institute a mandatory reservation system, the way RMNP did. I used the reservation system at RMNP in 2023 and it worked fine. But even with reservations, the parking lot at Bear Lake was full before 7:30am on weekdays. Yosemite had a reservation system last summer… they cancelled for this year. It takes more staff to run. The operational capacity of NPS was already in the red in popular parks; reducing staff in a haphazard way right now is not a smart solution to the well-known problems the parks are facing. It’s one of many hints that the team up top might be more interested in saying “we did something!” than actually understanding and addressing challenges.
- ikr678 2y ago
  I thought Going to the Sun had a pass system and daily limit on vehicle traffic now?
  - snowwrestler 2y ago
    Yeah, looks like you’re right: > Glacier National Park will implement a pilot timed entry vehicle reservation system in the summer of 2025. Timed entry vehicle reservations are required beginning June 13 for the west side of Going-to-the-Sun Road and North Fork. https://www.recreation.gov/timed-entry/10087086 https://www.recreation.gov/timed-entry/10087086 I wonder if layoffs or hiring freeze will affect this. At RMNP a ranger told me it takes a lot more staff in the park to fulfill a reservation system than without one.
lubujackson 2y ago
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vidro3 2y ago
where did you get this from, i didnt see it in the article?
protimewaster 2y ago
So basically you're arguing that no important hires were made in the past three years? That feels...unlikely.
nativeit 2y ago
They also froze hiring: > ...thousands of employees in the process of onboarding for federal agencies, including the Park Service, received emails stating that their job offers had been rescinded. So they will be entering the busy season with staff cutbacks, understandably dismal morale, and none of the people they were in the process of hiring. Want government to run like a business? That's one solid strategy for tanking a business.
- seanp2k2 2y ago
  No, they want to run it into the ground and sell it to oil and mining companies or real estate developers.
m463 2y ago
wait until ai staffing is rolled out.
- crusty 2y ago
  Oh, i wonder which company would win that contract. Conflicts of interest will be determined by the person with the conflicts of interest.

If a 5% layoff that sets them back to 2022 levels of headcount leads to chaos, maybe the problem is much deeper.

computerthings 2y ago

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paleotrope 2y ago
"Malicious compliance" then.
- computerthings 2y ago
  Malicious compliance what? And what did my comment get flagged for?

tzs 2y ago

Did you miss the part about hiring being frozen so that they cannot hire the several hundred seasonal workers that they would normally be hiring now to handle the summer load?

Projectiboga 2y ago

5% of total staff mostly frontline crew, could cause chaos. Especially if under staffed already.

TheCleric 2y ago

It will if they are at 150% of 2022 attendance (which they were in 2024).

fzeroracer 2y ago

Point me towards any company and order me to lay off 5% of individuals up to my own personal discretion and I guarantee you I can find a way to break it.

gosub100 2y ago

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genewitch 2y ago
Yeah I don't get it. I've slept in national parks that were closed. Don't leave trash don't start a stupid fire how hard is this?

maxerickson 2y ago

It can be that they were already understaffed in 2022. You aren't making the pat argument you want to be making.

snowwrestler 2y ago

The problem is for sure much deeper: chronic underfunding meets up with a surge in demand. That is the story of the National Parks since 2020. When I visited Glacier in 2019, rangers there told me the park was nearly at capacity. The parking lot at Logan Pass was full by 8am every day. They were hoping to convert Going To The Sun Road to bus-only, the way Zion did. But I took the bus one day and the wait was over an hour. Not enough buses and not enough drivers. And that was before the post-COVID surge in visitors. Or institute a mandatory reservation system, the way RMNP did. I used the reservation system at RMNP in 2023 and it worked fine. But even with reservations, the parking lot at Bear Lake was full before 7:30am on weekdays. Yosemite had a reservation system last summer… they cancelled for this year. It takes more staff to run. The operational capacity of NPS was already in the red in popular parks; reducing staff in a haphazard way right now is not a smart solution to the well-known problems the parks are facing. It’s one of many hints that the team up top might be more interested in saying “we did something!” than actually understanding and addressing challenges.

ikr678 2y ago
I thought Going to the Sun had a pass system and daily limit on vehicle traffic now?
- snowwrestler 2y ago
  Yeah, looks like you’re right: > Glacier National Park will implement a pilot timed entry vehicle reservation system in the summer of 2025. Timed entry vehicle reservations are required beginning June 13 for the west side of Going-to-the-Sun Road and North Fork. https://www.recreation.gov/timed-entry/10087086 https://www.recreation.gov/timed-entry/10087086 I wonder if layoffs or hiring freeze will affect this. At RMNP a ranger told me it takes a lot more staff in the park to fulfill a reservation system than without one.

lubujackson 2y ago

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vidro3 2y ago

where did you get this from, i didnt see it in the article?

protimewaster 2y ago

So basically you're arguing that no important hires were made in the past three years? That feels...unlikely.

nativeit 2y ago

They also froze hiring: > ...thousands of employees in the process of onboarding for federal agencies, including the Park Service, received emails stating that their job offers had been rescinded. So they will be entering the busy season with staff cutbacks, understandably dismal morale, and none of the people they were in the process of hiring. Want government to run like a business? That's one solid strategy for tanking a business.

seanp2k2 2y ago
No, they want to run it into the ground and sell it to oil and mining companies or real estate developers.

m463 2y ago

wait until ai staffing is rolled out.

crusty 2y ago
Oh, i wonder which company would win that contract. Conflicts of interest will be determined by the person with the conflicts of interest.