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For reference, the very first thing on the HN Guidelines⁽¹⁾ says: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics and: If they'd cover it on TV news, it's pro

by eddyg 2y ago

For reference, the very first thing on the HN Guidelines⁽¹⁾ says: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics and: If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. but people keep submitting stories where politics is the primary focus anyways. Personally, I come to HN to read tech (and some tech-adjacent) news. There are plenty of other places to discuss things considered "off-topic" for HN. ⁽¹⁾ https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

srid 2y ago
> There are plenty of other places to discuss things considered "off-topic" for HN. Once such place is the "Culture War" threads in https://www.themotte.org/ https://www.themotte.org/ - but they do demand more level-headedness than what we typically see here on political submissions on HN (especially involving Trump or Musk).
exceptione 2y ago
A coup is happening in the US. With full consent and buy-in from big tech and then "Could you guys be silent please? I am reading about this interesting Python library" Don't take it personal, but your comment is a perfect illustration of how people have gotten here.
- sershe 2y ago
  A non-insignificant part of the reason of why I am, and I bet many others too are ambivalent about the events is because of this stuff... Not just on hn or even online, but as a general pattern of behavior.. The right-thinking busybodies who want to make EVERYTHING about politics and the current thing. Believe me, we know where to find or to talk about politics. There's no shortage of places. Trying to ram it into a site made for, yes, reading about python libraries just makes me loathe you more. And it's entertaining to watch people I loathe shit bricks, even if I also loathe the other side.
  - exceptione 2y ago
    > And it's entertaining to watch people I loathe shit bricks Which means you do not have a modicum of understanding. Your appalling behavior is to turn it into a stupid culture war. I don't shit bricks my friend. The people that understand things better than you do are raising the alarm, precisely to get decadent and selfish asses like you to pay attention. For your own good. You are reminded that democracy is not a fringe issue to be compartmentalized, to be redirected to places for people interested in democracy. Yes, it is in your face as it means that there might be 2 or 3 topics out of 30 about the collapse of the largest democracy. "I am not political" is exactly what an average Russian answers about even the most simple questions. Democracy does not survive indifference. And if you don't like that democracy flows through all aspects of society, then enjoy the fake elections. You will never have to think about it. But still you can have a chuckle about those who did.
    - sershe 2y ago
      Nah you are missing my point entirely (where did I say I was apolitical?). The fact that you cannot make a distinction just illustrates my point. First to clear the misconceptions, (1) I am political, in fact I wish I was less so! I just disagree with you. I hate both parties with passion, (2) democracy has nothing to do with bureaucracy/regulation ratchet. And in any case classical liberalism is more important. I think everything even remotely based on the absurd Wickard decision, from war on drugs to medicare, ought to be abolished, hence I am ambivalent about using grey area methods to wreck agencies, I wish it was done cleaner but that seems impossible, (3) as an average former Russian familiar with its history, I hate nothing more than someone doing things for my own good. Between a thief and a true believer, I'll always choose the thief. Even early vs late Putin is a case in point Now, the main point. I can read / discuss my political stuff elsewhere. People like you cannot make a distinction between caring about politics, and making everything about politics. I view you as different in degree only from the ranting lady that got shot during the capitol insurrection. After reading me some politics, I come here to read about python libraries. Get a life.
      - exceptione 2y ago
- jaredklewis 2y ago
  But the stakes of political issues have always been much higher than of those in software engineering threads. Since long before HN was started. There has never been a time in human history so placid that reading about a python library could be considered more important than the pressing issues of the day. But I can and do read about the pressing issues of the day through a variety of media, most commonly the Economist, the LA times, and various substacks. On the other hand, I more or less have no other outlets—besides HN—to read about software engineering.
  - exceptione 2y ago
    This is not a pressing issue of the day. Honestly, inform yourself.
    - jaredklewis 2y ago
      So what? All life must stop? If that’s the case, what are you doing on HN? Get off your sofa and get out there on the streets.
      - exceptione 2y ago
        > All life must stop? Who told you? Why do you setup a false dichotomy for yourself? If you cannot handle reality, choose one of the other tens of topics.
      - tobr 2y ago
        You know, you don’t have to sit in a sofa to use HN.
- nh23423fefe 2y ago
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by eddyg 2y ago

srid 2y ago

> There are plenty of other places to discuss things considered "off-topic" for HN. Once such place is the "Culture War" threads in https://www.themotte.org/ https://www.themotte.org/ - but they do demand more level-headedness than what we typically see here on political submissions on HN (especially involving Trump or Musk).

exceptione 2y ago

A coup is happening in the US. With full consent and buy-in from big tech and then "Could you guys be silent please? I am reading about this interesting Python library" Don't take it personal, but your comment is a perfect illustration of how people have gotten here.

sershe 2y ago
A non-insignificant part of the reason of why I am, and I bet many others too are ambivalent about the events is because of this stuff... Not just on hn or even online, but as a general pattern of behavior.. The right-thinking busybodies who want to make EVERYTHING about politics and the current thing. Believe me, we know where to find or to talk about politics. There's no shortage of places. Trying to ram it into a site made for, yes, reading about python libraries just makes me loathe you more. And it's entertaining to watch people I loathe shit bricks, even if I also loathe the other side.
- exceptione 2y ago
  > And it's entertaining to watch people I loathe shit bricks Which means you do not have a modicum of understanding. Your appalling behavior is to turn it into a stupid culture war. I don't shit bricks my friend. The people that understand things better than you do are raising the alarm, precisely to get decadent and selfish asses like you to pay attention. For your own good. You are reminded that democracy is not a fringe issue to be compartmentalized, to be redirected to places for people interested in democracy. Yes, it is in your face as it means that there might be 2 or 3 topics out of 30 about the collapse of the largest democracy. "I am not political" is exactly what an average Russian answers about even the most simple questions. Democracy does not survive indifference. And if you don't like that democracy flows through all aspects of society, then enjoy the fake elections. You will never have to think about it. But still you can have a chuckle about those who did.
  - sershe 2y ago
    Nah you are missing my point entirely (where did I say I was apolitical?). The fact that you cannot make a distinction just illustrates my point. First to clear the misconceptions, (1) I am political, in fact I wish I was less so! I just disagree with you. I hate both parties with passion, (2) democracy has nothing to do with bureaucracy/regulation ratchet. And in any case classical liberalism is more important. I think everything even remotely based on the absurd Wickard decision, from war on drugs to medicare, ought to be abolished, hence I am ambivalent about using grey area methods to wreck agencies, I wish it was done cleaner but that seems impossible, (3) as an average former Russian familiar with its history, I hate nothing more than someone doing things for my own good. Between a thief and a true believer, I'll always choose the thief. Even early vs late Putin is a case in point Now, the main point. I can read / discuss my political stuff elsewhere. People like you cannot make a distinction between caring about politics, and making everything about politics. I view you as different in degree only from the ranting lady that got shot during the capitol insurrection. After reading me some politics, I come here to read about python libraries. Get a life.
    - exceptione 2y ago
jaredklewis 2y ago
But the stakes of political issues have always been much higher than of those in software engineering threads. Since long before HN was started. There has never been a time in human history so placid that reading about a python library could be considered more important than the pressing issues of the day. But I can and do read about the pressing issues of the day through a variety of media, most commonly the Economist, the LA times, and various substacks. On the other hand, I more or less have no other outlets—besides HN—to read about software engineering.
- exceptione 2y ago
  This is not a pressing issue of the day. Honestly, inform yourself.
  - jaredklewis 2y ago
    So what? All life must stop? If that’s the case, what are you doing on HN? Get off your sofa and get out there on the streets.
    - exceptione 2y ago
      > All life must stop? Who told you? Why do you setup a false dichotomy for yourself? If you cannot handle reality, choose one of the other tens of topics.
    - tobr 2y ago
      You know, you don’t have to sit in a sofa to use HN.
nh23423fefe 2y ago
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