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Social security office knows that there are records in that database without confirmed deaths. They use multiple techniques and data sources to determine who t

by bagels 2y ago

Social security office knows that there are records in that database without confirmed deaths. They use multiple techniques and data sources to determine who to send benefits to. This is not news to the SSA. https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf "AGENCY COMMENTS SSA disagreed with our recommendations. Agency officials stated that most of the records discussed in the report involve numberholders who do not currently receive SSA payment" So, they can do better, but sure, they are sending some relatively small number of checks out to dead people. That doesn't mean Musk needs to lie about the the program as an excuse to cut the whole thing, which is actually what we see playing out.

tonymet 2y ago
51% is most. 49% could still be > $100bil
- enragedcacti 2y ago
  In this particular case 'most' means 99.77%: > At the time of our review, approximately 44,000 of the 18.9 million numberholders were receiving SSA payments. There were something like 90k centenarians in the US at the time so the amount of fraud from this category is likely some small fraction of that 0.27%.
  - tonymet 2y ago
    Let’s see what the revised fraud report discovers.
enragedcacti 2y ago
> they are sending some relatively small number of checks out to dead people. This isn't even necessarily true from the report. SSA said 44k of the 18.9 million 100+ were receiving payments, but the US had something like 90k centenarians in 2021. It's probable that a huge majority of the 44k were still alive at the time of the audit.
shombaboor 2y ago
at this point I just assume it's a given that he's tweeting misleading information. it seems like he removes all attempts removing community notes on himself as well. I just don't think the lay person on twitter, which is dumber than a an average layperson, can learn these things in 1 graph or 200 chars.
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by bagels 2y ago

tonymet 2y ago

51% is most. 49% could still be > $100bil

enragedcacti 2y ago
In this particular case 'most' means 99.77%: > At the time of our review, approximately 44,000 of the 18.9 million numberholders were receiving SSA payments. There were something like 90k centenarians in the US at the time so the amount of fraud from this category is likely some small fraction of that 0.27%.
- tonymet 2y ago
  Let’s see what the revised fraud report discovers.

enragedcacti 2y ago

> they are sending some relatively small number of checks out to dead people. This isn't even necessarily true from the report. SSA said 44k of the 18.9 million 100+ were receiving payments, but the US had something like 90k centenarians in 2021. It's probable that a huge majority of the 44k were still alive at the time of the audit.

shombaboor 2y ago

at this point I just assume it's a given that he's tweeting misleading information. it seems like he removes all attempts removing community notes on himself as well. I just don't think the lay person on twitter, which is dumber than a an average layperson, can learn these things in 1 graph or 200 chars.

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