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Project 2025 Observer

190 points by napolux 2y ago

1970-01-01 2y ago
Nothing on the FAA?
- burkaman 2y ago
  Look under Department of Transportation. There are two, 'Require the FAA to "operate more like a business"' and 'Separate the Air Traffic Organization from the FAA.'
  - pstuart 2y ago
    More so, look at where money is involved and can be extracted by "the right people" and you'll find a target of interest.
CalRobert 2y ago
[flagged]
jarebear6expepj 2y ago
Is that a $65/year TLD or a $165/year TLD?
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- riffic 2y ago
  the TLD registry discloses their costs don't they? ICANNWiki shows Team Internet Group PLC (formerly named CentralNic Group PLC)
- matthberg 2y ago
  Not sure what you're on about (though I have my suspicions), looks like a .observer for a nigh-identical URL is $9.76 initially and on renew on Porkbun: https://porkbun.com/checkout/search?q=project2024.observer https://porkbun.com/checkout/search?q=project2024.observer
  - irelephant 2y ago
    That is surprisingly cheap.
riffic 2y ago
call me cynical but this looks like a roadmap and it seems like it would be used by the administration to better track implementation efforts. edit: On the other hand, quoting Brandeis: "Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_People%27s_Money_and_How_the_Bankers_Use_It#Famous_quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_People%27s_Money_and_How...
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  [flagged]
- bdcravens 2y ago
  I'm sure they have plenty of internal dashboards of their own.
dboreham 2y ago
[flagged]
greensh 2y ago
Content aside, I find this website really well structured and visually appealing.
- elevatortrim 2y ago
  I agree, this looks like a great way to hold governments to account or at least make their progress visible. I am now feeling a pain for the lack of this for my government.
  - aisenik 2y ago
    Project 2025 is a radical plan organized by The Heritage Foundation, an extremist political organization in the United States that has gained immense power through subversion of constitutional governance. Trump repeatedly disavowed any knowledge or alignment with Project 2025 during his campaign. Tracking Project 2025 does not serve to "hold governments to account," Project 2025 is a dramatic and dangerous attack on American Constitutional governance. Given the President's open deception and the sworn oath of all employees of the US Government to uphold and defend the Constitution, Project 2025 clearly represents an attack on American sovereignty, the betrayal of our allies, and a threat to global stability. Thus, tracking Project 2025 enables an understanding of the extent of implementation of this extremist agenda and facilitates more effective response to future destabilizing events (regardless of one's alignment).
nickpeterson 2y ago
What about the Project 2025 plan to force all government servers to run red hat linux?
keyserj 2y ago
Slightly annoying: on mobile, the navbar displays partially in front of the content "Overall Progress". I tried scrolling up to see the content better and since that's top of the page, it triggers a page refresh.
briandoll 2y ago
[flagged]
kittikitti 2y ago
This is an unpopular opinion, but I think they should fire more feds. The amount of love and support the FBI and IRS is receiving is insulting compared to the tech layoffs that the same feds saw as justified. I know so many brilliant people in tech who were hung out to dry and then bullied even more because the media kept blaming them and condescendingly claimed they were overhired.
- AlotOfReading 2y ago
  If I get fired tomorrow, my family is sad and some corporate projects get delayed or canceled. When USAID gets defunded, tens of thousands of people don't get their HIV treatments. It's a very different kind of situation.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Tech people being more important is an interesting perspective, considering the cost and lack of value provided, broadly speaking. Tech people believe they are important, but the economic evidence does not prove that out. I assume this will be more evident as the startup ecosystem continues to die in the current interest rate environment, tech salaries continue to decline, etc.
- talldayo 2y ago
  > I know so many brilliant people in tech who were hung out to dry Politicians didn't lay off those people, businesses did. If you think they need to be punished, then you boycott them or regulate their behavior. You're taking vengeance on the wrong people while letting the real perpetrator get away.
  - Sparyjerry 2y ago
    The problem is feds literally cannot get fired, ever, no matter how poorly a job they do. I know a fed who punched his coworker in the face at work, got nothing but a suspension. There has to be a correction at point.
    - talldayo 2y ago
0xEF 2y ago
[flagged]
marknutter 2y ago
Not even a month has passed and they're already at 34% completed. Most effective presidency ever?
- briandcullen 2y ago
  [flagged]
exceptione 2y ago
I will assume this is done with the best intentions, but this has also the potential to mislead many, as - you should consider the cumulative effects of all measures. - the individual measures are political messages and cited as such, you have to think what the double speak actually means. The main objective is to take away governance and resources from the people and hand it to a select few with resources and access. The "deep state", a professional example of projection. The GOP is indebted to the Kremlin. The heirs of the Soviets have developed very effective and powerful playbooks of public messaging, vastly superior of previous versions of propaganda. We think someone buried the books and the methods.. Alas, they have been improved. As the Kremlin is a front of transnational crime networks intertwined with Intelligence they seem to have connected with the oligarchy in the USA. All of the CIA employees got an offer to leave already. Deals? Yes, with autocracy. The USA is meant to become a Russia, and the GOP is indebted to the Kremlin for methods to get there. ------ Btw, I expect quite some terrorist actions in Europe. There have been some already with proven Russian authorship. At the same time Vance mades clear he wants unfettered access to the European information sphere, to deploy the same tools (firehose of falsehoods, chaos, culture wars, disinformation). The goal is to dismantle the rule based order, as those are a hindrance to international crime, and, a free population might give your own people ideas. So, good to give an overview but do not miss the forest for the trees. The culture war is a means to and end, not where the troops really are.
- pstuart 2y ago
  Your comment is on point. We are experiencing a coup and not enough people recognize and/or care. “A republic, if you can keep it.” -- Benjamin Franklin
hecanjog 2y ago
Why was this flagged?
- exceptione 2y ago
  The installment of kleptocracy was meticulously planned in advance, despite Trump making it look chaotic. He creates chaos, but behind the scenes the plan is implemented, by people that are loyal-to-death MAGA (the procedures selected out anyone with a modicum of honesty). The tech oligarchs vowed obedience to Trump. There has been an endless stream of sane-washing, false balance, getting the right nut jobs in the right places, buying twitter, buying the Supreme Court etc. With god speed they shook out science and institutions, to ensure critical people are gone. This might remind you something about history, and that might trigger the wrong response from you. Content on social networks is suppressed, eg pro-Ukraine voices has been silenced for a long time now on Twitter. Then suddenly problems with tags on other social networks. Content disappears. Bezos sinks on his knees to save his enterprises. It has been an enormous project, with many not knowing they worked for it. It is not insane to imagine that the most influential forum on tech incubation, the breeding ground, is actively being undermined to reach a political and moral understanding of issues that might result in a counter movement. There can be a group of some genuinely brainwashed people that take this as their identity, sure, but then still. All it tells is that the social system here is politically exploited. Don't tell me that side would absolutely not do that.
  - brendoelfrendo 2y ago
    It's not that deep, bro. The tech bros were the fascists all along.
    - dttze 2y ago
      Most of the elite in the US are, and have been. This is the business plot v2.
- eddyg 2y ago
  For reference, the very first thing on the HN Guidelines⁽¹⁾ says: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics and: If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. but people keep submitting stories where politics is the primary focus anyways. Personally, I come to HN to read tech (and some tech-adjacent) news. There are plenty of other places to discuss things considered "off-topic" for HN. ⁽¹⁾ https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
philistine 2y ago
Chilling.
timbit42 2y ago
I presume this is only covering Stage 1 of Project 2025 since Stage 2 hasn't been released yet so it can't be FOIA'ed.
exceptione 2y ago
It is pretty damning for hacker news to remove this from #1. The largest democracy of the world, the tech magnet of the world, is going down in a coup. This is not a fluke nor a desire for sensationalism. "But-but the Python library discussion!" Bullshit. It is our collective behavior. And the choice is to contain, to minimize, to pretend this is just something minor. If we morally could, we would all prefer to ignore it. Democracy doesn't have the concept of passive bystanders. It is by the people, for the people. That means involvement in all aspects of life. This, or it dies. I don't say it lightly, but HN isn't on the side of democracy. For if it was, its actions would have spoken. "But I didn't know it was really an event larger than a single incident". No one believes this really.
- hagbard_c 2y ago
  The largest democracy in the world is India, not the United States of America. The former is an (imperfect) democracy, the latter a representative republic. Neither of the two are 'going down in a coup', the latter just happened to have had an election where the majority of voters decided that the previous periods of "democratic" party rule did not lead to better outcomes for them or for things they cared about. They gave their vote to a group of people - not just a person but a group - who clearly outlined what their plans were should they win the elections. Which they did, and - lo and behold - they actually fulfilled many of the promises they made. People voted for a group of people who promised to radically reduce the size of the federal state, a promise they seem to be intent on keeping. They voted for a group of people who promised they'd open up the books on "all the malversations and shady dealings" by previous governments. They have started to fulfil their promise, it remains to be seen how much they can and will dig up. Calling a government which went to the polls with a set of promises which they, after winning the elections, seem to fulfil is not a coup. It is the political process finally working as intended even if you do not like the outcome. Assuming that you would prefer a "democratic" candidate to win the next time it is time for you and the party you support to align yourselves with the zeitgeist and realise you do not get to shape the future exactly the way you please. That, you see, is also what the word democracy means, it is the people - not you and whatever party you happen to support, if any - who get to decide what to aim for. Though imperfect and often messy this remains the best system of government in times of peace. In times of crisis - war, famine, pestilence, natural catastrophes - it can be more effective to limit the influence of the people but as soon as the crisis is dealt with the 'dictator' (from the Roman Republic, a 'temporary magistrate with extraordinary powers, nominated by one of two consuls on the recommendation of the Senate and confirmed by the popular assembly, only t be used in times of crisis') is supposed to step down [1]. [1] this may be one of the reasons for constantly pushing different crises onto the public

190 points by napolux 2y ago

1970-01-01 2y ago

Nothing on the FAA?

burkaman 2y ago
Look under Department of Transportation. There are two, 'Require the FAA to "operate more like a business"' and 'Separate the Air Traffic Organization from the FAA.'
- pstuart 2y ago
  More so, look at where money is involved and can be extracted by "the right people" and you'll find a target of interest.

CalRobert 2y ago

[flagged]

jarebear6expepj 2y ago

Is that a $65/year TLD or a $165/year TLD?

deleted 2y ago
[deleted]
riffic 2y ago
the TLD registry discloses their costs don't they? ICANNWiki shows Team Internet Group PLC (formerly named CentralNic Group PLC)
matthberg 2y ago
Not sure what you're on about (though I have my suspicions), looks like a .observer for a nigh-identical URL is $9.76 initially and on renew on Porkbun: https://porkbun.com/checkout/search?q=project2024.observer https://porkbun.com/checkout/search?q=project2024.observer
- irelephant 2y ago
  That is surprisingly cheap.

riffic 2y ago

call me cynical but this looks like a roadmap and it seems like it would be used by the administration to better track implementation efforts. edit: On the other hand, quoting Brandeis: "Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_People%27s_Money_and_How_the_Bankers_Use_It#Famous_quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_People%27s_Money_and_How...

gjsman-1000 2y ago
[flagged]
bdcravens 2y ago
I'm sure they have plenty of internal dashboards of their own.

dboreham 2y ago

[flagged]

greensh 2y ago

Content aside, I find this website really well structured and visually appealing.

elevatortrim 2y ago
I agree, this looks like a great way to hold governments to account or at least make their progress visible. I am now feeling a pain for the lack of this for my government.
- aisenik 2y ago
  Project 2025 is a radical plan organized by The Heritage Foundation, an extremist political organization in the United States that has gained immense power through subversion of constitutional governance. Trump repeatedly disavowed any knowledge or alignment with Project 2025 during his campaign. Tracking Project 2025 does not serve to "hold governments to account," Project 2025 is a dramatic and dangerous attack on American Constitutional governance. Given the President's open deception and the sworn oath of all employees of the US Government to uphold and defend the Constitution, Project 2025 clearly represents an attack on American sovereignty, the betrayal of our allies, and a threat to global stability. Thus, tracking Project 2025 enables an understanding of the extent of implementation of this extremist agenda and facilitates more effective response to future destabilizing events (regardless of one's alignment).

nickpeterson 2y ago

What about the Project 2025 plan to force all government servers to run red hat linux?

keyserj 2y ago

Slightly annoying: on mobile, the navbar displays partially in front of the content "Overall Progress". I tried scrolling up to see the content better and since that's top of the page, it triggers a page refresh.

briandoll 2y ago

[flagged]

kittikitti 2y ago

This is an unpopular opinion, but I think they should fire more feds. The amount of love and support the FBI and IRS is receiving is insulting compared to the tech layoffs that the same feds saw as justified. I know so many brilliant people in tech who were hung out to dry and then bullied even more because the media kept blaming them and condescendingly claimed they were overhired.

AlotOfReading 2y ago
If I get fired tomorrow, my family is sad and some corporate projects get delayed or canceled. When USAID gets defunded, tens of thousands of people don't get their HIV treatments. It's a very different kind of situation.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Tech people being more important is an interesting perspective, considering the cost and lack of value provided, broadly speaking. Tech people believe they are important, but the economic evidence does not prove that out. I assume this will be more evident as the startup ecosystem continues to die in the current interest rate environment, tech salaries continue to decline, etc.
talldayo 2y ago
> I know so many brilliant people in tech who were hung out to dry Politicians didn't lay off those people, businesses did. If you think they need to be punished, then you boycott them or regulate their behavior. You're taking vengeance on the wrong people while letting the real perpetrator get away.
- Sparyjerry 2y ago
  The problem is feds literally cannot get fired, ever, no matter how poorly a job they do. I know a fed who punched his coworker in the face at work, got nothing but a suspension. There has to be a correction at point.
  - talldayo 2y ago

0xEF 2y ago

[flagged]

marknutter 2y ago

Not even a month has passed and they're already at 34% completed. Most effective presidency ever?

briandcullen 2y ago
[flagged]

exceptione 2y ago

I will assume this is done with the best intentions, but this has also the potential to mislead many, as - you should consider the cumulative effects of all measures. - the individual measures are political messages and cited as such, you have to think what the double speak actually means. The main objective is to take away governance and resources from the people and hand it to a select few with resources and access. The "deep state", a professional example of projection. The GOP is indebted to the Kremlin. The heirs of the Soviets have developed very effective and powerful playbooks of public messaging, vastly superior of previous versions of propaganda. We think someone buried the books and the methods.. Alas, they have been improved. As the Kremlin is a front of transnational crime networks intertwined with Intelligence they seem to have connected with the oligarchy in the USA. All of the CIA employees got an offer to leave already. Deals? Yes, with autocracy. The USA is meant to become a Russia, and the GOP is indebted to the Kremlin for methods to get there. ------ Btw, I expect quite some terrorist actions in Europe. There have been some already with proven Russian authorship. At the same time Vance mades clear he wants unfettered access to the European information sphere, to deploy the same tools (firehose of falsehoods, chaos, culture wars, disinformation). The goal is to dismantle the rule based order, as those are a hindrance to international crime, and, a free population might give your own people ideas. So, good to give an overview but do not miss the forest for the trees. The culture war is a means to and end, not where the troops really are.

pstuart 2y ago
Your comment is on point. We are experiencing a coup and not enough people recognize and/or care. “A republic, if you can keep it.” -- Benjamin Franklin

hecanjog 2y ago

Why was this flagged?

exceptione 2y ago
The installment of kleptocracy was meticulously planned in advance, despite Trump making it look chaotic. He creates chaos, but behind the scenes the plan is implemented, by people that are loyal-to-death MAGA (the procedures selected out anyone with a modicum of honesty). The tech oligarchs vowed obedience to Trump. There has been an endless stream of sane-washing, false balance, getting the right nut jobs in the right places, buying twitter, buying the Supreme Court etc. With god speed they shook out science and institutions, to ensure critical people are gone. This might remind you something about history, and that might trigger the wrong response from you. Content on social networks is suppressed, eg pro-Ukraine voices has been silenced for a long time now on Twitter. Then suddenly problems with tags on other social networks. Content disappears. Bezos sinks on his knees to save his enterprises. It has been an enormous project, with many not knowing they worked for it. It is not insane to imagine that the most influential forum on tech incubation, the breeding ground, is actively being undermined to reach a political and moral understanding of issues that might result in a counter movement. There can be a group of some genuinely brainwashed people that take this as their identity, sure, but then still. All it tells is that the social system here is politically exploited. Don't tell me that side would absolutely not do that.
- brendoelfrendo 2y ago
  It's not that deep, bro. The tech bros were the fascists all along.
  - dttze 2y ago
    Most of the elite in the US are, and have been. This is the business plot v2.
eddyg 2y ago
For reference, the very first thing on the HN Guidelines⁽¹⁾ says: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics and: If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. but people keep submitting stories where politics is the primary focus anyways. Personally, I come to HN to read tech (and some tech-adjacent) news. There are plenty of other places to discuss things considered "off-topic" for HN. ⁽¹⁾ https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

philistine 2y ago

Chilling.

timbit42 2y ago

I presume this is only covering Stage 1 of Project 2025 since Stage 2 hasn't been released yet so it can't be FOIA'ed.

exceptione 2y ago

It is pretty damning for hacker news to remove this from #1. The largest democracy of the world, the tech magnet of the world, is going down in a coup. This is not a fluke nor a desire for sensationalism. "But-but the Python library discussion!" Bullshit. It is our collective behavior. And the choice is to contain, to minimize, to pretend this is just something minor. If we morally could, we would all prefer to ignore it. Democracy doesn't have the concept of passive bystanders. It is by the people, for the people. That means involvement in all aspects of life. This, or it dies. I don't say it lightly, but HN isn't on the side of democracy. For if it was, its actions would have spoken. "But I didn't know it was really an event larger than a single incident". No one believes this really.

hagbard_c 2y ago
The largest democracy in the world is India, not the United States of America. The former is an (imperfect) democracy, the latter a representative republic. Neither of the two are 'going down in a coup', the latter just happened to have had an election where the majority of voters decided that the previous periods of "democratic" party rule did not lead to better outcomes for them or for things they cared about. They gave their vote to a group of people - not just a person but a group - who clearly outlined what their plans were should they win the elections. Which they did, and - lo and behold - they actually fulfilled many of the promises they made. People voted for a group of people who promised to radically reduce the size of the federal state, a promise they seem to be intent on keeping. They voted for a group of people who promised they'd open up the books on "all the malversations and shady dealings" by previous governments. They have started to fulfil their promise, it remains to be seen how much they can and will dig up. Calling a government which went to the polls with a set of promises which they, after winning the elections, seem to fulfil is not a coup. It is the political process finally working as intended even if you do not like the outcome. Assuming that you would prefer a "democratic" candidate to win the next time it is time for you and the party you support to align yourselves with the zeitgeist and realise you do not get to shape the future exactly the way you please. That, you see, is also what the word democracy means, it is the people - not you and whatever party you happen to support, if any - who get to decide what to aim for. Though imperfect and often messy this remains the best system of government in times of peace. In times of crisis - war, famine, pestilence, natural catastrophes - it can be more effective to limit the influence of the people but as soon as the crisis is dealt with the 'dictator' (from the Roman Republic, a 'temporary magistrate with extraordinary powers, nominated by one of two consuls on the recommendation of the Senate and confirmed by the popular assembly, only t be used in times of crisis') is supposed to step down [1]. [1] this may be one of the reasons for constantly pushing different crises onto the public