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In America, they want to erase facts and have teachers like factory workers. The metric of teachers matters more than the job of education and the quality offer

In America, they want to erase facts and have teachers like factory workers. The metric of teachers matters more than the job of education and the quality offered to the next generation

smcin 2y ago
It's not some unspecified "they". It's because the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) of 1965 forbids the US having a national curriculum, and hence having nationwide-standardized tests of an entire curriculum (rather than much narrower skills, like basic reading/writing/math), unlike almost every other OECD country does (German Abitur, French Baccalauréat, even Chinese Gaokao, etc.) at HS completion. Hence the US federal ED can't meaningfully measure (HS-leaving) student outcomes across states/counties/districts, not now, not ever. (The 1965 ESEA was a severe compromise forced on LBJ by southern voters opposing public-funded integrated education). NCLB (2002-2015) didn't meaningfully fix any of this, and was replaced by ESSA (2015), which does not standardize across states. Hence given the federal ED is prohibited from meaningfully measuring student outcomes, their metrics focus on other things which are worse proxies and more gameable. I wonder if any study has ever quantified the economic cost to the US of not having nationally-standardized measurements of educational outcomes for all HS students, and what that cost is. (Even the ones who never apply to college. Especially the ones who never apply to college. Also the ones who don't graduate.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_and_Secondary_Education_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_and_Secondary_Educa...
- josefritzishere 2y ago
  I had no idea it was this bad.
  - smcin 2y ago
    (Public education, that is. Private education is allowed do things very differently.) Here are two people from the Cato Institute [0] cheerfully expounding their ideological belief that the US Constitution doesn’t give the federal government any power over education (not even the "promoting the general welfare" clause of Article I, Section 8 which has been held to cover tax collection, public health, Social Security), and that in their opinion the rot set in with FDR in the 1930s. (Of course the Constitution doesn’t say anything about things like federal air traffic control, either, but few advocate mounting a constitutional challenge to strike down the overreaching government tyranny of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958, which established the FAA by statute.) [0]: https://www.cato.org/policy-report/november/december-2007/schools-out-failure-no-child-left-behind https://www.cato.org/policy-report/november/december-2007/sc...

In America, they want to erase facts and have teachers like factory workers. The metric of teachers matters more than the job of education and the quality offered to the next generation

smcin 2y ago

It's not some unspecified "they". It's because the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) of 1965 forbids the US having a national curriculum, and hence having nationwide-standardized tests of an entire curriculum (rather than much narrower skills, like basic reading/writing/math), unlike almost every other OECD country does (German Abitur, French Baccalauréat, even Chinese Gaokao, etc.) at HS completion. Hence the US federal ED can't meaningfully measure (HS-leaving) student outcomes across states/counties/districts, not now, not ever. (The 1965 ESEA was a severe compromise forced on LBJ by southern voters opposing public-funded integrated education). NCLB (2002-2015) didn't meaningfully fix any of this, and was replaced by ESSA (2015), which does not standardize across states. Hence given the federal ED is prohibited from meaningfully measuring student outcomes, their metrics focus on other things which are worse proxies and more gameable. I wonder if any study has ever quantified the economic cost to the US of not having nationally-standardized measurements of educational outcomes for all HS students, and what that cost is. (Even the ones who never apply to college. Especially the ones who never apply to college. Also the ones who don't graduate.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_and_Secondary_Education_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_and_Secondary_Educa...

josefritzishere 2y ago
I had no idea it was this bad.
- smcin 2y ago
  (Public education, that is. Private education is allowed do things very differently.) Here are two people from the Cato Institute [0] cheerfully expounding their ideological belief that the US Constitution doesn’t give the federal government any power over education (not even the "promoting the general welfare" clause of Article I, Section 8 which has been held to cover tax collection, public health, Social Security), and that in their opinion the rot set in with FDR in the 1930s. (Of course the Constitution doesn’t say anything about things like federal air traffic control, either, but few advocate mounting a constitutional challenge to strike down the overreaching government tyranny of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958, which established the FAA by statute.) [0]: https://www.cato.org/policy-report/november/december-2007/schools-out-failure-no-child-left-behind https://www.cato.org/policy-report/november/december-2007/sc...