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> The US incarcerates 3.5 times more of it's population than Singapore. And Singapore executes ~3.5 times more of it's population than the US. Singapore is a

by robswc 2y ago

> The US incarcerates 3.5 times more of it's population than Singapore. And Singapore executes ~3.5 times more of it's population than the US. Singapore is a heavily policed state. They still cane people there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore There is a _huge_ difference between how crime is handled in the US and how it is handled in Singapore. > If you have the money to imprison the homeless you could use that very same money to just build more affordable housing and that would give you more in terms of results per dollar spent. I'm not talking about the homeless. The people I lived next to had homes (that were unfortunately adjacent to mine). They would constantly commit crime and face 0 repercussions for it. I knew of someone in the building that was on their 5th DUI somehow. They were still driving, still causing problems nearly every week.

BurningFrog 2y ago
Caning is very cost effective! Costs almost nothing compared to prisons, and has a comparable deterrence effect.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
We don't actually execute that many people in the US, so this was an instant fail on the sniff test: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singap... 540 ish executions in 35 years. 50 executions last decade. I don't think these are the statistics that make me thing Singapore is a kill happy country. >m not talking about the homeless. The people I lived next to had homes (that were unfortunately adjacent to mine). They would constantly commit crime and face 0 Anecdotes are just that. I've been in a nice neighborhood. I don't think people are naturally evil.
panick21_ 2y ago
Singapore might execute more people, but now go and compare how many people get killed by the state. I always think its hilarious how people argue about execution when the police kills astronomically more people to the point where actual executions are a statistically insignificant. > They were still driving, still causing problems nearly every week. That's what you get when you build a car dependent society. You can't actually prevent people from driving because people can't practically live without driving.
atoav 2y ago
In 2024 Singapore executed 9 people, that is a rate of 0.149 per 100k of their population. The rate of people shot by police in the US is 0.34 per 100k of its population. Who needs capital punishment when you shoot people your police doesn't like even before they have been found guilty? And your anecdotal evidence is not really valuable in the discussion at hand. Somebody else can say the opposite, I for example live in a country where crime is treated differently and we have less violent crime. You can leave your doors unlocked in a major city, despite living in a red light district with its own share of homeless, drug addicts and mentally ill.

by robswc 2y ago

BurningFrog 2y ago

Caning is very cost effective! Costs almost nothing compared to prisons, and has a comparable deterrence effect.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

We don't actually execute that many people in the US, so this was an instant fail on the sniff test: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singap... 540 ish executions in 35 years. 50 executions last decade. I don't think these are the statistics that make me thing Singapore is a kill happy country. >m not talking about the homeless. The people I lived next to had homes (that were unfortunately adjacent to mine). They would constantly commit crime and face 0 Anecdotes are just that. I've been in a nice neighborhood. I don't think people are naturally evil.

panick21_ 2y ago

Singapore might execute more people, but now go and compare how many people get killed by the state. I always think its hilarious how people argue about execution when the police kills astronomically more people to the point where actual executions are a statistically insignificant. > They were still driving, still causing problems nearly every week. That's what you get when you build a car dependent society. You can't actually prevent people from driving because people can't practically live without driving.

atoav 2y ago

In 2024 Singapore executed 9 people, that is a rate of 0.149 per 100k of their population. The rate of people shot by police in the US is 0.34 per 100k of its population. Who needs capital punishment when you shoot people your police doesn't like even before they have been found guilty? And your anecdotal evidence is not really valuable in the discussion at hand. Somebody else can say the opposite, I for example live in a country where crime is treated differently and we have less violent crime. You can leave your doors unlocked in a major city, despite living in a red light district with its own share of homeless, drug addicts and mentally ill.