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> We could "solve" the problem like Singapore or China (some of these 'many countries'), and simply throw everyone in jail for petty crimes The incarceration r

> We could "solve" the problem like Singapore or China (some of these 'many countries'), and simply throw everyone in jail for petty crimes The incarceration rate of the USA is 541/100k: https://www.prisonstudies.org/country/united-states-america https://www.prisonstudies.org/country/united-states-america The incarceration rate of Singapore is 164/100k: https://www.prisonstudies.org/country/singapore https://www.prisonstudies.org/country/singapore The homelessness rate in the USA is 19.5/10k. The homelessness rate in Singapore is 1.9/10k. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_ho... Singapore doesn’t have a homelessness problem because they build as much public housing as possible, sell it to citizens at a massively subsidised rate, and follow up with schemes to rent to people who fall through the system for practically nothing. If you want to reduce homelessness, you need to build a large volume of housing. San Francisco is doing the exact opposite and getting the exact opposite results.

robswc 2y ago
Do the math on the execution rate. You do _not_ want to be a criminal in Singapore. You especially do not want to be a criminal involved with drugs (which is the highest % offense of prisoners in the US). > Singapore doesn’t have a homelessness problem because they build as much public housing as possible, sell it to citizens at a massively subsidised rate, and follow up with schemes to rent to people who fall through the system for practically nothing. How policed are these public housing projects? I wouldn't have a problem living near or even in a place like that if there weren't criminals running around. The problem I was referencing was the problem of trying to get the general populace to live with antisocial types. I don't think that can be "solved" in the US anytime soon. > If you want to reduce homelessness, you need to build a large volume of housing. San Francisco is doing the exact opposite and getting the exact opposite results. Sure. I just don't see that happening in the US without it turning into a dump. I didn't even live in a homeless shelter. I lived in an income restricted place. It was a magnet for criminals and non-criminals are punished for it.
- JimDabell 2y ago
  > Do the math on the execution rate. You do _not_ want to be a criminal in Singapore. In 2023, Singapore executed 5 people, which is less than one in a million: https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/international/executions-around-the-world https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/internatio... You basically have to bring drugs into the country to be executed. So as long as you don’t do that, this statistic doesn’t affect you at all. > How policed are these public housing projects? I wouldn't have a problem living near or even in a place like that if there weren't criminals running around. Three quarters of Singaporeans live in these places, and there is no significant police presence. There doesn’t have to be because the crime rate is so low. Criminals aren’t running around. > Sure. I just don't see that happening in the US without it turning into a dump. I didn't even live in a homeless shelter. I lived in an income restricted place. It was a magnet for criminals and non-criminals are punished for it. I think you read “public housing” and interpreted it as something like you have in America, with high crime and poverty. That’s a misinterpretation. This is the type of place most people live in Singapore. They are nice places to live, they are just massively subsidised by the government.
  - wahnfrieden 2y ago
    Why are people always championing Singapore as a paragon of free markets while nearly all its residents live in government provided housing
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    - fragmede 2y ago
      Given the numerous housing crisis's all over the world, are you sure that the free market is best positioned to provide housing?
      - wahnfrieden 2y ago
        Not at all. I'm curious about those who seek to import Singapore's authoritarian climate while praising its free market and rebuking social welfare policies at home

robswc 2y ago

Do the math on the execution rate. You do _not_ want to be a criminal in Singapore. You especially do not want to be a criminal involved with drugs (which is the highest % offense of prisoners in the US). > Singapore doesn’t have a homelessness problem because they build as much public housing as possible, sell it to citizens at a massively subsidised rate, and follow up with schemes to rent to people who fall through the system for practically nothing. How policed are these public housing projects? I wouldn't have a problem living near or even in a place like that if there weren't criminals running around. The problem I was referencing was the problem of trying to get the general populace to live with antisocial types. I don't think that can be "solved" in the US anytime soon. > If you want to reduce homelessness, you need to build a large volume of housing. San Francisco is doing the exact opposite and getting the exact opposite results. Sure. I just don't see that happening in the US without it turning into a dump. I didn't even live in a homeless shelter. I lived in an income restricted place. It was a magnet for criminals and non-criminals are punished for it.

JimDabell 2y ago
> Do the math on the execution rate. You do _not_ want to be a criminal in Singapore. In 2023, Singapore executed 5 people, which is less than one in a million: https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/international/executions-around-the-world https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/internatio... You basically have to bring drugs into the country to be executed. So as long as you don’t do that, this statistic doesn’t affect you at all. > How policed are these public housing projects? I wouldn't have a problem living near or even in a place like that if there weren't criminals running around. Three quarters of Singaporeans live in these places, and there is no significant police presence. There doesn’t have to be because the crime rate is so low. Criminals aren’t running around. > Sure. I just don't see that happening in the US without it turning into a dump. I didn't even live in a homeless shelter. I lived in an income restricted place. It was a magnet for criminals and non-criminals are punished for it. I think you read “public housing” and interpreted it as something like you have in America, with high crime and poverty. That’s a misinterpretation. This is the type of place most people live in Singapore. They are nice places to live, they are just massively subsidised by the government.
- wahnfrieden 2y ago
  Why are people always championing Singapore as a paragon of free markets while nearly all its residents live in government provided housing
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  - fragmede 2y ago
    Given the numerous housing crisis's all over the world, are you sure that the free market is best positioned to provide housing?
    - wahnfrieden 2y ago
      Not at all. I'm curious about those who seek to import Singapore's authoritarian climate while praising its free market and rebuking social welfare policies at home