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> Elon Musk Accused of Doxxing After Reposting Judge John McConnell’s Daughter’s Job on X For re-posting a post that has a screenshot of a public linkedin prof

by robswc 2y ago

> Elon Musk Accused of Doxxing After Reposting Judge John McConnell’s Daughter’s Job on X For re-posting a post that has a screenshot of a public linkedin profile? I'm not a fan of trying to ruin lives over petty political disputes but this is hardly "doxxing." Does that word even mean anything anymore? Just the other week people were saying the "DOGE kids" were "doxxed" and it was the same thing. Posting a public linkedin profile.

duxup 2y ago
What is doxing then? Does the linked in profile mean "can't be doxed because you're otherwise online" or something? That doesn't make sense to me. This person who is otherwise unknown and uninvolved in a court case is now subject to the typical internet rabble, that seems like some type of doxing.
- robswc 2y ago
  > What is doxing then? The dictionary definition is: search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the internet, typically with malicious intent. A linkedin profile is not private. Ironically, its very public. The entire point of a linkedin profile is to have your professional information public. My definition of doxxing is more or less the dictionary definition. If you're going really far out of your way to find information on profiles that are otherwise private, with the goal of tearing someone down, that is doxxing. Maybe you could make a case that there is "just" doxxing, like finding the profile of an animal abuser... but in almost all cases, its just people being malicious. I don't think publishing that a judge's daughter works at XYZ is doxxing. That has been a thing _long_ before the internet. The CEO's daughter is XYZ's wife. The politician's son is on the board of ABC co., etc.
  - duxup 2y ago
    Private "or identifying information" that seems to fit to me... The idea that if any info about an individual is on the internet, they have a linked in profile or such, that they can't be doxed I don't think makes any sense.
    - robswc 2y ago
      > Private "or identifying information" that seems to fit to me... I don't see how, honestly. That would make for an incredibly loose and meaningless definition. If I post "Donald J. Trump lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500", is that doxxing? Its identifying information. We could get into semantics but at the end of the day, doxxing shouldn't be something treated lightly. If we start considering too many things as doxxing, nobody will take it seriously.
      - duxup 2y ago
        If Trump made a speech and people posted the 1600 address I don't think anyone would think of that as doxing. If they posted his kid's school address, I think they would.
        robswc 2y ago
        > If they posted his kid's school address, I think they would. Have I, and the AP just doxxed? https://apnews.com/article/barron-trump-nyu-stern-business-school-bf02754085db99a49429efbb47b64626 https://apnews.com/article/barron-trump-nyu-stern-business-s...
        duxup 2y ago
        You tell me, malicious intent?
        robswc 2y ago
        That's subjective. I'll make it objective. --- Everyone, please encourage NYU to expel Barron Trump as the Trump family is terrible. Here is where he goes to school. https://apnews.com/article/barron-trump-nyu-stern-business-school-bf02754085db99a49429efbb47b64626 https://apnews.com/article/barron-trump-nyu-stern-business-s... --- Is that doxxing now?
        2y ago
  - NomDePlum 2y ago
    "or identifying information" - so it's doxxing by the very definition you quoted? Why do people excuse this sort of behaviour? What explanation says it's ok for Musk to involve anyone's child in such a way? Never mind in a way that discredits the USAs claim to have checks and balances across 3 branches of government.
hn_acker 2y ago
Don't forget the daughter's financial disclosure form, but the daughter's specific occupation as a "senior policy advisor" in the Department of Education might require her financial disclosures to be public [1]. > Public disclosure is required of "senior officials in the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government to ... [report] their finances as well as other interests outside the Government." "Official" is kind of a big deal. Are policy advisors (as opposed to people who can both write policy and vote on passing it) considered officials? It is dubious to use the term doxxing to describe this judge's daughter's situation, but Elon Musk has a hypocritical attitude toward the posting of public LinkedIn profiles (in the case of the DOGE "kids") and already-public information about a private jet. [1] Financial Disclosure in the U.S. Government: Frequently Asked Questions [Updated May 30, 2023] https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47320 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47320
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by robswc 2y ago

duxup 2y ago

What is doxing then? Does the linked in profile mean "can't be doxed because you're otherwise online" or something? That doesn't make sense to me. This person who is otherwise unknown and uninvolved in a court case is now subject to the typical internet rabble, that seems like some type of doxing.

robswc 2y ago
> What is doxing then? The dictionary definition is: search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the internet, typically with malicious intent. A linkedin profile is not private. Ironically, its very public. The entire point of a linkedin profile is to have your professional information public. My definition of doxxing is more or less the dictionary definition. If you're going really far out of your way to find information on profiles that are otherwise private, with the goal of tearing someone down, that is doxxing. Maybe you could make a case that there is "just" doxxing, like finding the profile of an animal abuser... but in almost all cases, its just people being malicious. I don't think publishing that a judge's daughter works at XYZ is doxxing. That has been a thing _long_ before the internet. The CEO's daughter is XYZ's wife. The politician's son is on the board of ABC co., etc.
- duxup 2y ago
  Private "or identifying information" that seems to fit to me... The idea that if any info about an individual is on the internet, they have a linked in profile or such, that they can't be doxed I don't think makes any sense.
  - robswc 2y ago
    > Private "or identifying information" that seems to fit to me... I don't see how, honestly. That would make for an incredibly loose and meaningless definition. If I post "Donald J. Trump lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500", is that doxxing? Its identifying information. We could get into semantics but at the end of the day, doxxing shouldn't be something treated lightly. If we start considering too many things as doxxing, nobody will take it seriously.
    - duxup 2y ago
      If Trump made a speech and people posted the 1600 address I don't think anyone would think of that as doxing. If they posted his kid's school address, I think they would.
      - robswc 2y ago
        > If they posted his kid's school address, I think they would. Have I, and the AP just doxxed? https://apnews.com/article/barron-trump-nyu-stern-business-school-bf02754085db99a49429efbb47b64626 https://apnews.com/article/barron-trump-nyu-stern-business-s...
        duxup 2y ago
        You tell me, malicious intent?
        robswc 2y ago
        That's subjective. I'll make it objective. --- Everyone, please encourage NYU to expel Barron Trump as the Trump family is terrible. Here is where he goes to school. https://apnews.com/article/barron-trump-nyu-stern-business-school-bf02754085db99a49429efbb47b64626 https://apnews.com/article/barron-trump-nyu-stern-business-s... --- Is that doxxing now?
        2y ago
- NomDePlum 2y ago
  "or identifying information" - so it's doxxing by the very definition you quoted? Why do people excuse this sort of behaviour? What explanation says it's ok for Musk to involve anyone's child in such a way? Never mind in a way that discredits the USAs claim to have checks and balances across 3 branches of government.

hn_acker 2y ago

Don't forget the daughter's financial disclosure form, but the daughter's specific occupation as a "senior policy advisor" in the Department of Education might require her financial disclosures to be public [1]. > Public disclosure is required of "senior officials in the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government to ... [report] their finances as well as other interests outside the Government." "Official" is kind of a big deal. Are policy advisors (as opposed to people who can both write policy and vote on passing it) considered officials? It is dubious to use the term doxxing to describe this judge's daughter's situation, but Elon Musk has a hypocritical attitude toward the posting of public LinkedIn profiles (in the case of the DOGE "kids") and already-public information about a private jet. [1] Financial Disclosure in the U.S. Government: Frequently Asked Questions [Updated May 30, 2023] https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47320 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47320

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