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i voted for that, i voted for the destruction of the federal government because it's bankrupting us by stealing our money
by stainablesteel 2y ago
i voted for that, i voted for the destruction of the federal government because it's bankrupting us by stealing our money
- __MatrixMan__ 2y agoDo you expect that money will be worth very much after the entity that issues it is destroyed?
- lolc 2y agoThen federated governments with local currencies, or what?
- whoitwas 2y agothe people who ensure government is broken and stealing from you are now in charge. they recently requested $4.3 trillion in deficit spending for tax cuts and the dissolution of medicaid.
- doodlebugging 2y agoI saw your comment and saw it getting downvoted or flagged but it is useful to have a discussion so that others similarly inclined can potentially learn something that they obviously don't already understand. I reproduce that comment here in case it somehow disappears. >i voted for that, i voted for the destruction of the federal government because it's bankrupting us by stealing our money If you're concerned about the federal government bankrupting "us" by stealing our money then ask yourself why one of the first things that happened was the firing of OIG personnel. The Inspectors General and their OIG employees are the federal employees with the mandate to identify waste, fraud, and abuse in every federal program regardless of size. They have the power to audit any recipient of taxpayer monies and to work with US Attorney federal prosecutors to prosecute those who steal, waste, or otherwise violate plan guidelines in disbursing money. US Attorneys will not even take a case to trial unless agency auditors can document in detail that a crime has occurred and that crime fits within prosecutorial guidelines and a conviction is nearly guaranteed. To take a case that has any weaknesses risks wasting public money prosecuting a case you might not win. The whole point is to make sure you have the evidence that forces the defendant to either make restitution or to spend some time in a federal lock-up. It's suspicious to me that the first thing they do is fire all the people who not only can watch, but who have the Congressional mandate to seek out waste, fraud, and abuse of federal programs that disburse money to individuals, small businesses, cities and other non-federal entities, non-profits, and corporations. Though I am not a doctor, I do think that you should seriously work on your mental health. Start by changing your diet to include less kool-aid as the sugar high you're on can cause metabolic changes that lead to seriously bad health outcomes. My spouse has spent a career in a federal department working to insure that the money Congress allocates to specific programs ends up being spent for purposes that are allowed under the guidelines of those federal programs. If you think the federal government is the one stealing your money you are sadly mistaken. Federal programs are full of fraud but the fraud occurs at the recipient end, not within the department. If you or anyone else are so concerned about where your tax money goes then the last agency entity that you would eliminate would be the one charged with insuring that all the monies in all the programs administered by the agency are disbursed lawfully according to plan guidelines which were approved by Congress. These people, as part of their job, have to read and internalize all the nuances, conflicts with existing programs, and contradictions in all the programs that they serve as watchdog over and it is their skills that allow federal prosecutors to take fraud cases to trial and to convict those who have abused federal programs for personal gain. You voted for someone who has a documented history of fraudulent use of federal money who made it a point in both of his administrations to remove the specific persons and agencies that would guarantee oversight so that they can do anything without worrying about accountability. Internalize that.
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- doodlebugging 2y agoYou must be a redditor with this abbreviated, low quality reply. You didn't even include the part of the post that you consider to be the advice that I should take. I hope you're not a life coach because there is clear evidence here of a deficiency in your skillsets.
- nailer 2y ago> The Inspectors General and their OIG employees are the federal employees with the mandate to identify waste, fraud, and abuse in every federal program regardless of size. There are more than 1 million 150-159 year old Americans that receive social security and America is funding trans comic books for children in Peru. Do you think the OIG was doing a good job?
- lostdog 2y agoI'm sure you heard that from a trustworthy person who provided clear evidence? Perhaps you could share some of that evidence?
- npteljes 2y ago= Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face
- pjc50 2y agoThis aspect of America has always struck me as the most bizarre: the most vicious enemies of the American state are Americans.
- enraged_camel 2y agoI don’t think this is true. The world has plenty of anti-American sentiment, most of it well-deserved. What is unique about the phenomenon you describe is that Americans are extraordinarily misinformed and misguided about their own government and everything it does for them. This makes them particularly cynical. We have Reagan to thank for it.
- account42 2y agoThis is hardly bizzare but how governments everywhere work. People in power are not benevolent out of the goodness of their hearts but because the people from whom they derive their power - the population in a democratic state - continuously fight against overreach of their powers. And it's not like this is a one-sided conflicts. Governments are actively working to suppress their citizens from standing up to them - by restricting free speech that would allow those citizens to organize, by trying to shape the thoughts of their citizens through various forms of propaganda and ultimately by doing everything they can to retain the state's monopoly on violence.
- pjc50 2y agoThe thing is, this kind of anarcho-libertarianism is barely recognizable in Europe, or belongs to fringe left movements. In the US, it's much more right-coded and also tied to nationalism, while not being anti-military or anti-police. "Defund the Federal government" is right-coded; "defund the police" is left-coded. No analysis connects the two. > retain the state's monopoly on violence Places like Italy know that when the state doesn't have a monopoly on violence, it gets messy ("years of lead").
- timacles 2y agoYou think the US is bankrupting you by stealing your money? Specifically: USAID, FAA, Government Watchdog agencies, and whatever other group that has been dismantled by now? Those are the high priority agencies stealing our hard earned money? Not the guys who all of a sudden have a 100 billion dollars since 2010?
- thehumanmeat 2y agoYes, to clarify, I do believe that.
- codeguro 2y agoI'm more concerned about the members of congress and senate that became multimillionares on a $174k/year salary.
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- MyOutfitIsVague 2y agoYou voted for a $4T increase in deficit as a tax gift for billionaires, to save you money? Please explain the logic.
- newdee 2y agoI’m reminded of this line from Stewart Lee, when talking about the disillusioned British working class voting for radical political parties/causes: “A protest vote for UKIP is like shitting your hotel bed as a protest against bad service, then realising you now have to sleep in a shitted bed.”
- jzackpete 2y agomore like kicking out the staff after they convinced everyone that your house is a hotel that they own and operate
- nailer 2y agoYes, but that's talking about radical political causes.
- account42 2y agoStill a better solution than to keep voting for parties that actively work against their constituents' interests. Unless those parties themselves change, the only alternative is violent revolution and and that is going to be a lot messier than a shitted bed.