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You are failing the first law of HN, where you have to assume the worst possible form of any action when it refers to Trump. Four years of this TDS is going to

You are failing the first law of HN, where you have to assume the worst possible form of any action when it refers to Trump. Four years of this TDS is going to be exhausting.

harimau777 2y ago
We have years of experience with Trump already. At this point assuming that he will be cruel, irresponsible, corrupt, and vindictive is justified.
- gadders 2y ago
  So was Biden. And with Alzheimers and unknown people actually running the government.
  - harimau777 2y ago
    I don't see the comparison you are trying to make. Biden defined his entire political persona around centrism, bipartisanship, moderation, etc. He certainly made major mistakes (e.g. mismanaging the Afghan pullout, running for reelection); however, he didn't really display the cruelty or intolerance of different ways of life that is a core part of Trump's brand.
    - gadders 2y ago
      I mean, that might be how he defined his persona, but I don't think it's borne out by the facts. I think there was quite a lot of intolerance of anybody that didn't fit in with the left wing view of culture war issues espoused by his government. He also oversaw numerous prosecutions of his political opponent, solely designed to stop him running.
      - freeone3000 2y ago
        Didn’t those “political persecutions” end up with actual criminal convictions for fraud by an independent jury?
        gadders 2y ago
        "independent jury". It was in New York. What do you think would happen if Biden or Hillary were tried by a jury in Florida or Texas?
        buttercraft 2y ago
        Did voir dire not apply?
      - petrarchy 2y ago
        > He also oversaw numerous prosecutions of his political opponent, solely designed to stop him running. Odd conclusion. Why would you think solely? Are you familiar with the evidence in the documents case? In the documents case, Trump clearly violated the law, based on evidence now in the public record. National security documents he was not entitled to were handled illegally, in ways that others have been prosecuted and convicted for. In really, really bad and scary ways, like nuclear-level secrets in an unlocked closet ways. With pictures. And videos. In the place he lets random foreign enemy political figures AND THEIR SECURITY STAFF run around. The predominant reason someone like Biden or Bush doesn’t get prosecuted is because they don’t do this shit. Second, because of norms, they transparently cooperate when they make mistakes. Even still, Trump was handled with kid gloves. The documents prosecution took years and was ultimately a massive waste of time. So if the sole reason was to disadvantage Trump, wasn’t it real dumb? Wouldn’t a more reasonable motivation be that the hundreds of elite law enforcement agents were doing their jobs / protect the country from a clear and present national security threat?
        gadders 2y ago
        >>The predominant reason someone like Biden or Bush doesn’t get prosecuted is because they don’t do this shit. Biden mishandled secret documents but escaped prosecution by being mentally unfit. He kept them in his garage, I believe. Bill Clinton hid secret documents in his sock drawer. Hillary had her secret email server with classified information on.
        petrarchy 2y ago
        “this shit” was not a referent to mishandling classified material. It was a referent to Trump having thousands of documents, including nuclear secrets and other SCIF material. Please provide evidence of any of these other people doing it with nuclear secrets. Please provide evidence of these other people risking national security by giving access to their sock drawers or email servers. Trump lets anyone into Mar A Lago. Anyone including known Chinese spies: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/11/759906611/chinese-woman-who-breached-mar-a-lago-security-found-guilty https://www.npr.org/2019/09/11/759906611/chinese-woman-who-b... Here’s a convenient wikipedia article summarizing sources and showing you pictures of what Trump did: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_search_of_Mar-a-Lago https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_search_of_Mar-a-Lago You honestly think these behaviors are equivalent or comparable severity?
- grandempire 2y ago
  Indeed. And the world did not end and soldiers did not fire on US citizens. Americans experienced it and his support grew.
kgwxd 2y ago
Hanlon's razor is reserved for people who don't demonstrate malice on a daily basis. They do not deserve the benefit of the doubt, they deserve the scourge of the certainty. I'm sure you can go back through your comments, find several instance where you've said something similar, and it later turned out the concerns were completely justified. Edit: Didn't even have to go back a month: "The Project 2025 that he disavowed? Do you want trying arguing with facts rather than some evil figment of your imagination?" Of course, it was already ridiculous making that argument a month ago, and I'm sure you'll still say that's a figment of everyone's imaginations.
- gadders 2y ago
  I think this is what people call the Mandela Effect. Below is an actual video in a presidential debate of Trump saying he had nothing to do with Project 2025, and yet you claim he never said that: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-i-have-nothing-to-do-with-project-2025-trump-says https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-i-have-nothing-t... Please try and find some facts to argue with.
  - theshackleford 2y ago
    > Please try and find some facts to argue with. Why don’t you start first and show us all how it’s done?
  - kgwxd 2y ago
    I did not claim he never said it. I’m claiming that it was an obvious lie. If words are the only thing that matters when judging a persons intentions, then that must apply to every person equally or else you’re objectively biased. But you already know that.
aredox 2y ago
Trump is deranged.

You are failing the first law of HN, where you have to assume the worst possible form of any action when it refers to Trump. Four years of this TDS is going to be exhausting.

harimau777 2y ago

We have years of experience with Trump already. At this point assuming that he will be cruel, irresponsible, corrupt, and vindictive is justified.

gadders 2y ago
So was Biden. And with Alzheimers and unknown people actually running the government.
- harimau777 2y ago
  I don't see the comparison you are trying to make. Biden defined his entire political persona around centrism, bipartisanship, moderation, etc. He certainly made major mistakes (e.g. mismanaging the Afghan pullout, running for reelection); however, he didn't really display the cruelty or intolerance of different ways of life that is a core part of Trump's brand.
  - gadders 2y ago
    I mean, that might be how he defined his persona, but I don't think it's borne out by the facts. I think there was quite a lot of intolerance of anybody that didn't fit in with the left wing view of culture war issues espoused by his government. He also oversaw numerous prosecutions of his political opponent, solely designed to stop him running.
    - freeone3000 2y ago
      Didn’t those “political persecutions” end up with actual criminal convictions for fraud by an independent jury?
      - gadders 2y ago
        "independent jury". It was in New York. What do you think would happen if Biden or Hillary were tried by a jury in Florida or Texas?
        buttercraft 2y ago
        Did voir dire not apply?
    - petrarchy 2y ago
      > He also oversaw numerous prosecutions of his political opponent, solely designed to stop him running. Odd conclusion. Why would you think solely? Are you familiar with the evidence in the documents case? In the documents case, Trump clearly violated the law, based on evidence now in the public record. National security documents he was not entitled to were handled illegally, in ways that others have been prosecuted and convicted for. In really, really bad and scary ways, like nuclear-level secrets in an unlocked closet ways. With pictures. And videos. In the place he lets random foreign enemy political figures AND THEIR SECURITY STAFF run around. The predominant reason someone like Biden or Bush doesn’t get prosecuted is because they don’t do this shit. Second, because of norms, they transparently cooperate when they make mistakes. Even still, Trump was handled with kid gloves. The documents prosecution took years and was ultimately a massive waste of time. So if the sole reason was to disadvantage Trump, wasn’t it real dumb? Wouldn’t a more reasonable motivation be that the hundreds of elite law enforcement agents were doing their jobs / protect the country from a clear and present national security threat?
      - gadders 2y ago
        >>The predominant reason someone like Biden or Bush doesn’t get prosecuted is because they don’t do this shit. Biden mishandled secret documents but escaped prosecution by being mentally unfit. He kept them in his garage, I believe. Bill Clinton hid secret documents in his sock drawer. Hillary had her secret email server with classified information on.
        petrarchy 2y ago
        “this shit” was not a referent to mishandling classified material. It was a referent to Trump having thousands of documents, including nuclear secrets and other SCIF material. Please provide evidence of any of these other people doing it with nuclear secrets. Please provide evidence of these other people risking national security by giving access to their sock drawers or email servers. Trump lets anyone into Mar A Lago. Anyone including known Chinese spies: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/11/759906611/chinese-woman-who-breached-mar-a-lago-security-found-guilty https://www.npr.org/2019/09/11/759906611/chinese-woman-who-b... Here’s a convenient wikipedia article summarizing sources and showing you pictures of what Trump did: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_search_of_Mar-a-Lago https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_search_of_Mar-a-Lago You honestly think these behaviors are equivalent or comparable severity?
grandempire 2y ago
Indeed. And the world did not end and soldiers did not fire on US citizens. Americans experienced it and his support grew.

kgwxd 2y ago

Hanlon's razor is reserved for people who don't demonstrate malice on a daily basis. They do not deserve the benefit of the doubt, they deserve the scourge of the certainty. I'm sure you can go back through your comments, find several instance where you've said something similar, and it later turned out the concerns were completely justified. Edit: Didn't even have to go back a month: "The Project 2025 that he disavowed? Do you want trying arguing with facts rather than some evil figment of your imagination?" Of course, it was already ridiculous making that argument a month ago, and I'm sure you'll still say that's a figment of everyone's imaginations.

gadders 2y ago
I think this is what people call the Mandela Effect. Below is an actual video in a presidential debate of Trump saying he had nothing to do with Project 2025, and yet you claim he never said that: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-i-have-nothing-to-do-with-project-2025-trump-says https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-i-have-nothing-t... Please try and find some facts to argue with.
- theshackleford 2y ago
  > Please try and find some facts to argue with. Why don’t you start first and show us all how it’s done?
- kgwxd 2y ago
  I did not claim he never said it. I’m claiming that it was an obvious lie. If words are the only thing that matters when judging a persons intentions, then that must apply to every person equally or else you’re objectively biased. But you already know that.

aredox 2y ago

Trump is deranged.