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The logical explanation to me is that most of the Signal contacts shared tend to be for drugs or CSAM trading, so they went for the nuclear approach to make mod

The logical explanation to me is that most of the Signal contacts shared tend to be for drugs or CSAM trading, so they went for the nuclear approach to make moderation easier.

duxup 2y ago
Is that true? I’ve never used signal.
- JansjoFromIkea 2y ago
  Telegram is overwhelmingly the app of choice for drug dealers with Whatsapp coming second, at least on a direct to customer level. No clue about CSAM but I'd really doubt it considering it requires a phone number.
  - coldblues 2y ago
    Telegram is overwhelmingly the preferred messenger for CSAM distribution, a search can find you all the relevant articles.
    - JansjoFromIkea 2y ago
      Thanks for the clarification. I misread your top post as though it meant Signal was the main source for those things. Sorry for the confusion.
axegon_ 2y ago
Give me a break, open telegram, which is still in the clear for comrade musk and he publicly advocated for comrade durov and tell me how long it will take you to find anything from prostitution to weapons, drugs and human trafficking. It's all about punishing people who can question musk & co's authoritarian desires.
- coldblues 2y ago
  Feds can request info from Telegram. Additionally, Telegram has evolved past a simple messenger application. A massive amount of projects, most of them being crypto projects, use Telegram as their primary method of communication and announcements. It is also a very popular messenger in India and parts of Europe. They can block Signal because they can get away with it. If it means banning a bunch of CSAM traders and drug dealers, even if it includes a few users and privacy nerds, they're still winning in terms of easing up their moderation efforts without significant outcry. I believe this block will be lifted, even if Signal users a minority, they are a loud minority. This could have very well been a mistake.
  - axegon_ 2y ago
    Are you seriously this delusional? All other messengers offer e2e encryption in one form or another and the "feds" can't request shit. The only difference is that signal does it out of the box, instead of being buried 20 layers deep in menus and unlike the other messengers(including telegram) is not false advertising and is a crime in the civilized world under data protection laws. So much for free speech(which btw is not news when it comes to musk and anyone with a functioning brain). Comrade musk is in a position where he can mass execute newborn babies on Time square in broad daylight and his simps and entire government will praise him.
    - coldblues 2y ago
      What I've said is from the perspective of a hypothetical moderation team at Twitter that has enacted this change, a change that will most likely be reversed, and was probably a mistake. Additionally, you are breaking the site's guidelines. This comment thread has very little to do with Elon Musk, please direct your rage somewhere else.
      - axegon_ 2y ago
        It's not rage, it's realism - musk is a classic example of extreme stalinism. If there are dozens of such instances on weekly basis and comrade musk is the one behind them, it's naive to think that this one isn't. Especially when it something that hurts his fragile ego. Which is not a secret anymore since plenty of his former employees have come forward. Hell, even the present day ones are coming forward but anonymously out of fear.

The logical explanation to me is that most of the Signal contacts shared tend to be for drugs or CSAM trading, so they went for the nuclear approach to make moderation easier.

duxup 2y ago

Is that true? I’ve never used signal.

JansjoFromIkea 2y ago
Telegram is overwhelmingly the app of choice for drug dealers with Whatsapp coming second, at least on a direct to customer level. No clue about CSAM but I'd really doubt it considering it requires a phone number.
- coldblues 2y ago
  Telegram is overwhelmingly the preferred messenger for CSAM distribution, a search can find you all the relevant articles.
  - JansjoFromIkea 2y ago
    Thanks for the clarification. I misread your top post as though it meant Signal was the main source for those things. Sorry for the confusion.

axegon_ 2y ago

Give me a break, open telegram, which is still in the clear for comrade musk and he publicly advocated for comrade durov and tell me how long it will take you to find anything from prostitution to weapons, drugs and human trafficking. It's all about punishing people who can question musk & co's authoritarian desires.

coldblues 2y ago
Feds can request info from Telegram. Additionally, Telegram has evolved past a simple messenger application. A massive amount of projects, most of them being crypto projects, use Telegram as their primary method of communication and announcements. It is also a very popular messenger in India and parts of Europe. They can block Signal because they can get away with it. If it means banning a bunch of CSAM traders and drug dealers, even if it includes a few users and privacy nerds, they're still winning in terms of easing up their moderation efforts without significant outcry. I believe this block will be lifted, even if Signal users a minority, they are a loud minority. This could have very well been a mistake.
- axegon_ 2y ago
  Are you seriously this delusional? All other messengers offer e2e encryption in one form or another and the "feds" can't request shit. The only difference is that signal does it out of the box, instead of being buried 20 layers deep in menus and unlike the other messengers(including telegram) is not false advertising and is a crime in the civilized world under data protection laws. So much for free speech(which btw is not news when it comes to musk and anyone with a functioning brain). Comrade musk is in a position where he can mass execute newborn babies on Time square in broad daylight and his simps and entire government will praise him.
  - coldblues 2y ago
    What I've said is from the perspective of a hypothetical moderation team at Twitter that has enacted this change, a change that will most likely be reversed, and was probably a mistake. Additionally, you are breaking the site's guidelines. This comment thread has very little to do with Elon Musk, please direct your rage somewhere else.
    - axegon_ 2y ago
      It's not rage, it's realism - musk is a classic example of extreme stalinism. If there are dozens of such instances on weekly basis and comrade musk is the one behind them, it's naive to think that this one isn't. Especially when it something that hurts his fragile ego. Which is not a secret anymore since plenty of his former employees have come forward. Hell, even the present day ones are coming forward but anonymously out of fear.