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I don't want my news filtered by state actors before I read it.

by flanked-evergl 2y ago

buyucu 2y ago
Elon Musk is a state actor. The biggest one in fact.
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  No he is not.
  - buyucu 2y ago
    he controls the US government right now through DOGE.
    - flanked-evergl 2y ago
      If that was the case, that would definitely mean he is not a state actor, which is defined as «An entity that is a part of, or which operates licitly or semi-licitly on behalf or in service of, a government agency.». The only way you can claim he is a state actor if you think he acts, in his management of X, on behalf of the US state, a claim which would be entirely laughable even to partisans.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    ... In what way is he not? He is de facto if not de jure more or less in charge of the US government.
    - flanked-evergl 2y ago
      If that was the case, that would definitely mean he is not a state actor, which is defined as «An entity that is a part of, or which operates licitly or semi-licitly on behalf or in service of, a government agency.». The only way you can claim he is a state actor if you think he acts, in his management of X, on behalf of the US state, a claim which would be entirely laughable even to partisans.
      - rsynnott 2y ago
        > operates [..] semi-licitly on behalf or in service of, a government agency Hard to see how he doesn't fit this criteria? That DOGE thing is clearly a US government agency of some sort. > The only way you can claim he is a state actor if you think he acts, in his management of X, on behalf of the US state, a claim which would be entirely laughable even to partisans. If you take the Louis XIV "I am the state" approach, then, well, he has, right? He promoted Trump on the platform during the election, then walked into a job with the state.
        flanked-evergl 2y ago
        Your claim was «He is de facto if not de jure more or less in charge of the US government.». If this is true, the opposite, i.e. «operates [..] semi-licitly on behalf or in service of, a government agency» can't be true. Cold reason decrees it from her awful throne. Talk as much fatalism about that fact as you please: it really must be.
defrost 2y ago
At this point in time President Musk is the ultimate state actor.
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  Nope.
Cipater 2y ago
So why are you on a platform OWNED by a "state actor"?
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  It's funny how people claim both that he is totally in charge of the US, and that at the same time the US is totally in charge of him. It can't be both, and in fact it's neither.
root_axis 2y ago
Twitter is the most compliant social media platform for government take downs. The number of government take downs actually sharply increased under the new leadership.

I don't want my news filtered by state actors before I read it.

buyucu 2y ago

Elon Musk is a state actor. The biggest one in fact.

flanked-evergl 2y ago
No he is not.
- buyucu 2y ago
  he controls the US government right now through DOGE.
  - flanked-evergl 2y ago
    If that was the case, that would definitely mean he is not a state actor, which is defined as «An entity that is a part of, or which operates licitly or semi-licitly on behalf or in service of, a government agency.». The only way you can claim he is a state actor if you think he acts, in his management of X, on behalf of the US state, a claim which would be entirely laughable even to partisans.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  ... In what way is he not? He is de facto if not de jure more or less in charge of the US government.
  - flanked-evergl 2y ago
    If that was the case, that would definitely mean he is not a state actor, which is defined as «An entity that is a part of, or which operates licitly or semi-licitly on behalf or in service of, a government agency.». The only way you can claim he is a state actor if you think he acts, in his management of X, on behalf of the US state, a claim which would be entirely laughable even to partisans.
    - rsynnott 2y ago
      > operates [..] semi-licitly on behalf or in service of, a government agency Hard to see how he doesn't fit this criteria? That DOGE thing is clearly a US government agency of some sort. > The only way you can claim he is a state actor if you think he acts, in his management of X, on behalf of the US state, a claim which would be entirely laughable even to partisans. If you take the Louis XIV "I am the state" approach, then, well, he has, right? He promoted Trump on the platform during the election, then walked into a job with the state.
      - flanked-evergl 2y ago
        Your claim was «He is de facto if not de jure more or less in charge of the US government.». If this is true, the opposite, i.e. «operates [..] semi-licitly on behalf or in service of, a government agency» can't be true. Cold reason decrees it from her awful throne. Talk as much fatalism about that fact as you please: it really must be.

defrost 2y ago

At this point in time President Musk is the ultimate state actor.

flanked-evergl 2y ago
Nope.

Cipater 2y ago

So why are you on a platform OWNED by a "state actor"?

flanked-evergl 2y ago
It's funny how people claim both that he is totally in charge of the US, and that at the same time the US is totally in charge of him. It can't be both, and in fact it's neither.

root_axis 2y ago

Twitter is the most compliant social media platform for government take downs. The number of government take downs actually sharply increased under the new leadership.