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Particularly ironic given that DOGE is reported to be using Signal as its comms platform. [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42579873 https://news.yc

by nanna 2y ago

Particularly ironic given that DOGE is reported to be using Signal as its comms platform. [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42579873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42579873

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tremon 2y ago
That's interesting, given that as an official government department they're subject to FOIA requests and as such have an obligation to persist their documentation.
- gosub100 2y ago
  * Unless you're secretary of state.
  - throwaway5752 2y ago
    What happened in that case, and do you believe the same standard should be applied currently?
    - gosub100 2y ago
      In that case a corrupt politician with lots to hide was able to keep their crimes hidden using the secret service (who defended her house). I do not think that standard should be applied to anyone, ever.
      - throwaway5752 2y ago
        She went before Congress for to testify for 11 hours under oath, as a point of fact. I feel like that would be a reasonable next step. The FBI investigation https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-dir... is at odds with your description. It appears nothing was as anywhere as severe as the recent intelligence breach of when DOGE posted NOFORN material publicly (https://abcnews.go.com/US/agency-data-shared-doge-online-sparks-concern-intelligence/story?id=118858837 https://abcnews.go.com/US/agency-data-shared-doge-online-spa...)
- davidw 2y ago
  They declared that the DOGE stuff is official presidential records and thus not subject to FOIA. https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-doge-records-public-information-foia-presidential-records-act-2025-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-doge-records-public-inf... Sometimes, the simplest explanation is the right one: they're fascists and the rules are not applicable to them.
  - dathinab 2y ago
    > They declared that the DOGE stuff is official presidential records and thus not subject to FOIA. which is pretty absurd and you would need to have a really corrupt court IMHO for this to hold up
    - davidw 2y ago
      The same one that declared that presidents are above the law and that the insurrection clause of the 14th amendment is basically meaningless? The one that slow-walked a bunch of cases related to presidential crimes? I don't think it's actually hopeless - they have constrained him at times. But I would also avoid getting my hopes up.
  - jauntywundrkind 2y ago
    Presidential Records Act is quite strong about capturing all records & releasing them. But after a 5 year delay. During Trump 1 there was quite a habit of ripping up papers by the president. So there were some dudes hired to go take the ripped up papers and tape them back together. Really looking forwards to seeing some of those next year! https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filin... I suspect that what's happening is flagrantly incredibly evil & immoral, is a heinous crime against democracy. The people need to be ae to see what governments do and are, need to have some chance to learn and see what their governments really do. My dear is that the Presidential Records Act is being thrown out the window by these folks, that we will have nearly no record of so much of what this administration & it's "advisors" (Musk) do.
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- pjc50 2y ago
  If you think they're going to follow FOIA law I have a bridge to sell you.
guywithahat 2y ago
Elon personally uses Signal, I would assume this is a legitimate mistake which will be fixed soon if it hasn't already
- guywithahat 2y ago
  I can’t edit the original comment but it looks like sharing signal links is back, but some now have a spam warning. https://x.com/jeremiahdjohns/status/1891554583756845526?s=46 https://x.com/jeremiahdjohns/status/1891554583756845526?s=46

by nanna 2y ago

Particularly ironic given that DOGE is reported to be using Signal as its comms platform. [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42579873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42579873

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tremon 2y ago

That's interesting, given that as an official government department they're subject to FOIA requests and as such have an obligation to persist their documentation.

gosub100 2y ago
* Unless you're secretary of state.
- throwaway5752 2y ago
  What happened in that case, and do you believe the same standard should be applied currently?
  - gosub100 2y ago
    In that case a corrupt politician with lots to hide was able to keep their crimes hidden using the secret service (who defended her house). I do not think that standard should be applied to anyone, ever.
    - throwaway5752 2y ago
      She went before Congress for to testify for 11 hours under oath, as a point of fact. I feel like that would be a reasonable next step. The FBI investigation https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-dir... is at odds with your description. It appears nothing was as anywhere as severe as the recent intelligence breach of when DOGE posted NOFORN material publicly (https://abcnews.go.com/US/agency-data-shared-doge-online-sparks-concern-intelligence/story?id=118858837 https://abcnews.go.com/US/agency-data-shared-doge-online-spa...)
davidw 2y ago
They declared that the DOGE stuff is official presidential records and thus not subject to FOIA. https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-doge-records-public-information-foia-presidential-records-act-2025-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-doge-records-public-inf... Sometimes, the simplest explanation is the right one: they're fascists and the rules are not applicable to them.
- dathinab 2y ago
  > They declared that the DOGE stuff is official presidential records and thus not subject to FOIA. which is pretty absurd and you would need to have a really corrupt court IMHO for this to hold up
  - davidw 2y ago
    The same one that declared that presidents are above the law and that the insurrection clause of the 14th amendment is basically meaningless? The one that slow-walked a bunch of cases related to presidential crimes? I don't think it's actually hopeless - they have constrained him at times. But I would also avoid getting my hopes up.
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  Presidential Records Act is quite strong about capturing all records & releasing them. But after a 5 year delay. During Trump 1 there was quite a habit of ripping up papers by the president. So there were some dudes hired to go take the ripped up papers and tape them back together. Really looking forwards to seeing some of those next year! https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filin... I suspect that what's happening is flagrantly incredibly evil & immoral, is a heinous crime against democracy. The people need to be ae to see what governments do and are, need to have some chance to learn and see what their governments really do. My dear is that the Presidential Records Act is being thrown out the window by these folks, that we will have nearly no record of so much of what this administration & it's "advisors" (Musk) do.
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pjc50 2y ago
If you think they're going to follow FOIA law I have a bridge to sell you.

guywithahat 2y ago

Elon personally uses Signal, I would assume this is a legitimate mistake which will be fixed soon if it hasn't already

guywithahat 2y ago
I can’t edit the original comment but it looks like sharing signal links is back, but some now have a spam warning. https://x.com/jeremiahdjohns/status/1891554583756845526?s=46 https://x.com/jeremiahdjohns/status/1891554583756845526?s=46