4 ms·

Given that other systems do have problems with paying out to dead people or people who are alive but faking their age, it'd be impressive if the US system had

Given that other systems do have problems with paying out to dead people or people who are alive but faking their age, it'd be impressive if the US system had zero such cases. The claim isn't unlikely on its face, especially given what he said about Treasury never denying payments for any reason in order to minimise complaints. As to "how can he make claims at all", it's because civil servants have been told to work for him, which means he is supposed to have access to more information than actual outsiders do (everyone on this thread).

flir 2y ago
I'm sure the US system has a few cases of dead claimants. I mean, it's a country of 330m people. Dead and 150? Bit harder to believe. It's an extraordinary claim, if you get my drift.
- Panoramix 2y ago
  Why? Japan found over 200k ghost centenarians in their database. A significant amount were fraud related, relatives that keep receiving checks for example. So not hard to believe for me.
  - flir 2y ago
    > Japan found over 200k ghost centenarians in their database Weeeeeell.... https://cnrs.hal.science/hal-03478634/document https://cnrs.hal.science/hal-03478634/document > Why? 150. I already said this. The children of a 150-year-old would probably be in their ~120s. The grandchildren would be in their ~90s. You're claiming a social security account that's been passed down through multiple generations, like some kind of family heirloom. It's an extraordinary claim, if you get my drift.
  - danso 2y ago
    The SSA OIG has done a couple of investigations into this the past decade. In 2023 [0], it agreed with the SSA that "almost none of the numberholders discussed in the report [people aged 100 or older] currently receive SSA payments" (while disagreeing that the costs and risks of a mass correction effort outweigh the benefits) > While we agree that adding presumed death information to these records will result in incorrect dates of death appearing on these Numident records, we do not agree it poses a significant risk of erroneously recording death information on living numberholders’ records. For example, we see little risk in adding presumed death information to the millions of Numident records belonging to individuals born in the 1800s who haven’t worked or received SSA payments in more than 50 years. > SSA determined the estimated $5.5 to $9.7 million in expenditures to correct these errors was too costly to implement and that the effort would have limited benefit to the administration of SSA programs. We acknowledge that almost none of the numberholders discussed in the report currently receive SSA payments. However, SSA issued each of these individuals a valid SSN and these SSNs could allow for a wide range of potential abuse. [0] https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf#page10 https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf#page10

flir 2y ago

I'm sure the US system has a few cases of dead claimants. I mean, it's a country of 330m people. Dead and 150? Bit harder to believe. It's an extraordinary claim, if you get my drift.

Panoramix 2y ago
Why? Japan found over 200k ghost centenarians in their database. A significant amount were fraud related, relatives that keep receiving checks for example. So not hard to believe for me.
- flir 2y ago
  > Japan found over 200k ghost centenarians in their database Weeeeeell.... https://cnrs.hal.science/hal-03478634/document https://cnrs.hal.science/hal-03478634/document > Why? 150. I already said this. The children of a 150-year-old would probably be in their ~120s. The grandchildren would be in their ~90s. You're claiming a social security account that's been passed down through multiple generations, like some kind of family heirloom. It's an extraordinary claim, if you get my drift.
- danso 2y ago
  The SSA OIG has done a couple of investigations into this the past decade. In 2023 [0], it agreed with the SSA that "almost none of the numberholders discussed in the report [people aged 100 or older] currently receive SSA payments" (while disagreeing that the costs and risks of a mass correction effort outweigh the benefits) > While we agree that adding presumed death information to these records will result in incorrect dates of death appearing on these Numident records, we do not agree it poses a significant risk of erroneously recording death information on living numberholders’ records. For example, we see little risk in adding presumed death information to the millions of Numident records belonging to individuals born in the 1800s who haven’t worked or received SSA payments in more than 50 years. > SSA determined the estimated $5.5 to $9.7 million in expenditures to correct these errors was too costly to implement and that the effort would have limited benefit to the administration of SSA programs. We acknowledge that almost none of the numberholders discussed in the report currently receive SSA payments. However, SSA issued each of these individuals a valid SSN and these SSNs could allow for a wide range of potential abuse. [0] https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf#page10 https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf#page10