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Neither is it useful to make such claims as he did so blatantly

fastball 2y ago
Well, it is useful for him, as (if it turns out to be mostly true) then it highlights how poorly operations in our government are. The only reason you have to believe that Musk's statements are not correct is the aforementioned inaccurate assertion about COBOL.
- zimpenfish 2y ago
  > The only reason you have to believe that Musk's statements are not correct is [...] And his well documented history of spouting bullshit and flim-flam.
- chillingeffect 2y ago
  That's ingenuoua. He posted the ssa's process for culling 115 year olds above. Also, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Presently, there is no evidence. This is precisely why business and government are different entities. Business is a wealth-creating opportunity with less responsibility. Government may not be low-latency, but its aim is to be responsible and correct. Confusing the two is a major problem.
  - fastball 2y ago
    What is ingenuoua?
  - frugalmail 2y ago
    What was the claim? That there are millions of people above 120 years old in the SS database that aren't marked dead? That doesn't sound extraordinary, or a claim that's hard to challenge by even past employees that had access to the data. but all we got is propaganda and FUD.
- computerthings 2y ago
  Right, so it's useful to just just say things without evidence, because they "might turn out to be true" in the future. Something being useful to Musk and his goons doesn't make it "useful" without such qualifiers. > The only reason you have to believe that Musk's statements are not correct is the aforementioned inaccurate assertion about COBOL. Hardly. That's just saying how little attention you paid to the man.
  - fastball 2y ago
    Not giving out evidence in a press conference (how does he even do that?) does not mean that his assertions were made without evidence.
    - computerthings 2y ago
      So where's the evidence?
      - fastball 2y ago
        Presumably in the SS database. Is your idea that he should give everyone on the internet access to this database? Because other than seeing it for yourself, I'm not sure what evidence he can provide that you will believe.
        computerthings 2y ago
        More than zero would be a start. You said it's not viable to give evidence of claims during a press conference, okay, but it's been a while since then.
        frugalmail 2y ago
        His team ran a query and shared the results. How is that zero? What do you expect him to provide? Litterally NOBODY is arguing that the results aren't accurate based on data other than an, easily verifiable, erroneous claim about the COBOL platform or "mUsK SAiD iT"

Well, it is useful for him, as (if it turns out to be mostly true) then it highlights how poorly operations in our government are. The only reason you have to believe that Musk's statements are not correct is the aforementioned inaccurate assertion about COBOL.

zimpenfish 2y ago
> The only reason you have to believe that Musk's statements are not correct is [...] And his well documented history of spouting bullshit and flim-flam.
chillingeffect 2y ago
That's ingenuoua. He posted the ssa's process for culling 115 year olds above. Also, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Presently, there is no evidence. This is precisely why business and government are different entities. Business is a wealth-creating opportunity with less responsibility. Government may not be low-latency, but its aim is to be responsible and correct. Confusing the two is a major problem.
- fastball 2y ago
  What is ingenuoua?
- frugalmail 2y ago
  What was the claim? That there are millions of people above 120 years old in the SS database that aren't marked dead? That doesn't sound extraordinary, or a claim that's hard to challenge by even past employees that had access to the data. but all we got is propaganda and FUD.
computerthings 2y ago
Right, so it's useful to just just say things without evidence, because they "might turn out to be true" in the future. Something being useful to Musk and his goons doesn't make it "useful" without such qualifiers. > The only reason you have to believe that Musk's statements are not correct is the aforementioned inaccurate assertion about COBOL. Hardly. That's just saying how little attention you paid to the man.
- fastball 2y ago
  Not giving out evidence in a press conference (how does he even do that?) does not mean that his assertions were made without evidence.
  - computerthings 2y ago
    So where's the evidence?
    - fastball 2y ago
      Presumably in the SS database. Is your idea that he should give everyone on the internet access to this database? Because other than seeing it for yourself, I'm not sure what evidence he can provide that you will believe.
      - computerthings 2y ago
        More than zero would be a start. You said it's not viable to give evidence of claims during a press conference, okay, but it's been a while since then.
        frugalmail 2y ago
        His team ran a query and shared the results. How is that zero? What do you expect him to provide? Litterally NOBODY is arguing that the results aren't accurate based on data other than an, easily verifiable, erroneous claim about the COBOL platform or "mUsK SAiD iT"