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The part of all of this which I have a problem with from the outside, is that it seems extremely irresponsible to address the White House and the public to say
by NoPicklez 2y ago
The part of all of this which I have a problem with from the outside, is that it seems extremely irresponsible to address the White House and the public to say you have found people that are 150 years old receiving social security payments in such a provocative way. As if you have so simply stumbled across this error that has gone unnoticed.
There’s been no formal inquiry, there was no mention of any of the checks and balances that may have been occurring, there’s been no nuance to the argument from him at all. Okay maybe there are people that look to be 150 years old, is there a reason why? Were they actually being paid the social security or was there a legitimate exception? Maybe people were but it was so few and far between and was an internal controls issue which all governments and companies have globally or was none of it true and your team simply assumed they were being paid.
After reading an article where Gov security experts were worried because they were having to give Elon’s team access to Putty and SQL tools. It seems like people are going through this data and making inferences that may not be completely true or vetted.
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- trymas 2y ago> … it seems extremely irresponsible to address the White House and the public to say … It’s simple as: 1. They don’t care; 2. It fits their agenda;
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoExactly. Statements like this have been used to approve new programs and legislation that in at least one case led to sweeping profiling and the incorrect retraction of government benefits, causing tens of thousands to end up in poverty and debt and the consequent issues of divorce, children removed from parents, even suicides: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scand... This all started when a group of Bulgarian migrants took advantage of a loophole, registering as residents for a small amount of time and defrauding the government for about €4 million. The price tag to set it right again was €7.4 billion as of last year: https://nos.nl/artikel/2503966-de-toeslagenaffaire-van-een-miljoenen-naar-een-miljardenoperatie https://nos.nl/artikel/2503966-de-toeslagenaffaire-van-een-m... What I'm trying to say is that right-wing / populist talking points can and will lead to sweeping reform with long term and far reaching consequences. For a few years we had an era of fact checking where these statements were immediately marked, but all the services have removed it again. I'm honestly surprised Twitter still has community notes.
- sumo89 2y agoAnd there's no punishment for being wrong. Even a newspaper has to publish official apologies, not that anyone bothers to read them. He could say the sky is red on that platform and there's nothing anyone could do to force him to change it or admit he's wrong.
- hassleblad23 2y agoHave they revealed how many people actually fall in that category? Agreed that more nuance is necessary.
- ddxv 2y agoHe recently shared the usual X style cropped screenshot which implied millions of records "where death is false" and the rows age appeared to be 110+ As someone who uses databases everyday, there's always nuance to data, especially when you're trying to simplify data for a small report. Hard to believe there are millions of records so obviously wrong.
- chrisco255 2y agoI wouldn't put it past our government. Who ever even looks at this stuff? Nobody cares to look when they're spending other people's money. Traditionally the play has been: don't rock the boat and you keep your job for life.
- ZeroGravitas 2y agoOffice of the Inspector General looks at this stuff. Trump fired 17 of them: https://campaignlegal.org/update/significance-firing-inspectors-general-explained https://campaignlegal.org/update/significance-firing-inspect... > This blatantly illegal and incredibly concerning mass firing removes the only independent offices within agencies designed to protect taxpayer money and root out corruption, fraud, waste and mismanagement. I also posted the 2022 report the office generated elsewhere in the thread, a follow up to their 2015 report.
- gscott 2y ago> Office of the Inspector General looks at this stuff. I wish that were the case, if it was these date of births would have already been fixed. Sounds like they fired 17 useless employees and can split the work of the 17 amongst 150 other employees.
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- MrBuddyCasino 2y ago„Social Security isn’t paying out to 150-year-olds, it’s paying out to people whose birthdays we don’t even know“ is not exactly reassuring. How is it possible that the db contains records with such a vital datum missing? How is it possible that SSNs aren’t unique? I can’t come up with an explanation that doesn’t boil down to either negligence or fraud.
- tgv 2y agoHow is it possible that your code contains bugs? I think that question may have the same answer.
- raverbashing 2y agoLooks like you never touched any system with real life data Edit: the link below gives more information on ssns. SSNs so far been unique, but there are some issues
- MrBuddyCasino 2y agoThats not how SSNs are supposed to work at all.
- zettabomb 2y agoSSNs are not reused: https://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html https://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html
- raverbashing 2y agoThanks, very informative link
- Yoric 2y agoI don't know how it happens in the US, but in France, during several years, I had an error-code SSN. My papers had been misfiled at birth, due to the unreadable writing of the cleric who recorded my birth, and it took 2-3 years to fix this. This error-code SSN was full of 0s, so obviously shared with others. I wouldn't be surprised if some migrants waiting for confirmation of paperwork also had some shared temporary special-code SSN.
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- figassis 2y agoProblem with this is, if or when they are proven wrong, it will be very privately, no one will ever hear about it. It will be lost in the noise of “we found lots of fraud”. And no one will be able to get as straight an answer as the accusation. So no actual consequences for difamation. If feel like this is an issue with all politicians. They accuse very loudly, admit wrongdoing very quietly or never.
- aredox 2y agoReminder that Musk once wrote an email to buzzfeed stating "“I suggest that you call people you know in Thailand, find out what’s actually going on and stop defending child rapists, you fucking asshole", about Vernon Unsworth, the man who saved 12 children from dying in the Tham Luang cave. He had no proof and went on to accuse him of not even being a diver. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-... https://www.ccn.com/5-saucy-elon-musk-revelations-in-explosive-cave-diver-lawsuit-filing/ https://www.ccn.com/5-saucy-elon-musk-revelations-in-explosi...
- ZeroGravitas 2y agoAnd then won a legal case by arguing that it was just a generic insult not a specific allegation (and having expensive lawyers).
- fallingknife 2y ago[flagged]
- ZeroGravitas 2y agoOkay, so then to win that pointless online argument he argued to a journalist investigating it that it was a true allegation and accused them, the journalist, of protecting pedophiles. There's no way he comes out of this not looking like a petty, power-mad, knowingly-lying psychopath.
- fallingknife 2y agoI didn't say that he doesn't. What I said is that it isn't defamation.
- aredox 2y agoExcept that his email to buzzfeed clearly targeted Unsworth. Legal muddling by Musks lawers led Unsworth's to get the email out of the lawsuit, to save time and money, but that ended to be a bad legal strategy.
- rcbdev 2y agoWhat are you saying or referring to? The Stackexchange posting you're replying to does not refer to the U.S. government at all as far as I can tell. How do you connect the link you're responding to to the White House at all?
- suddenlybananas 2y agohttps://nypost.com/video/elon-musk-claims-some-recipients-of-social-security-checks-are-150-years-old/?utm_source=reddit.com https://nypost.com/video/elon-musk-claims-some-recipients-of...
- dathinab 2y agoMusk doesn't care about - correctness of information - completeness of information - nounces of formulation - accidental misleading people he has more then once verbatim repeated or re-posted conspiracy theories, including trivially disprovable which also don't pass the common sense check (i.e things you only "fall" for if you either act extremely reckless and negligent or intentionally fall for it as it pushes your ideology no matter how wrong it is)
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