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> These are not nameless, faceless bureaucrats. They are our family, friends and neighbors. They contribute to our communities. Every. Single. One. of these fi

> These are not nameless, faceless bureaucrats. They are our family, friends and neighbors. They contribute to our communities. Every. Single. One. of these firings is a story involving human beings, with families, with ongoing concerns like mortgages, medical problems, deaths in the family, school problems, and all the other things that happen during life. Things many of the DOGE staffers are too young to have experienced yet. Whatever else you might think about what is going on, the Administration could have done this humanely, carefully, methodically -- but they chose to do it carelessly and cruelly instead. In my opinion, this alone is unforgiveable.

fastball 2y ago
Didn't they offer some sort of buyout severance deal?
- deleted 2y ago
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- russdill 2y ago
  The deal says that if they have no legal standing to make any challenges once signing. If they decide to not pay them, they have signed away any legal remedy
- ipython 2y ago
  Probationary employees are fired afaik without any severance, as they are not yet covered by worker protections. Even those who do accept the “buyout” may be unpleasantly surprised in March with the looming government shutdown and corresponding lapse in appropriations. https://apnews.com/article/trump-firing-probation-workforce-buyouts-layoffs-doge-159a6de411622c2eb651016b1e99da37 https://apnews.com/article/trump-firing-probation-workforce-...
- AngryData 2y ago
  Only if you believe a non-official email that involves signing away all legal rights to any recourse you might take against them both before and after leaving, which includes your severance pay which nobody has authorized or found a source for.
ExoticPearTree 2y ago
I take it you’re not american? This is how the US works: at will employment: one day you have a job, the next you don’t.
- jarsin 2y ago
  The sympathy for an insanely bloated bureaucracy that has put generations into massive tax debt is baffling to say the least. If I sued everytime I got laid off and posted a bunch of wahmbulance crap on linkedin I would never get hired again.
  - eesmith 2y ago
    Trump added $7.8 trillion to the debt in his first term, which is about 25% of the debt. Congress after Congress has borrowed from the Social Security Trust Fund while lowering taxes. And you want to place all the blame on "an insanely bloated bureaucracy" when there are fewer federal employees now than 40 years ago, despite the 35% increase in population?
  - insane_dreamer 2y ago
    do your homework the deficit doesn't stem from an increase in federal employment
- unsnap_biceps 2y ago
  public jobs historically have had the most protections against mass firings. It weights in on the calculus to take a lower paid job in public sector in exchange for very high stability.
- eesmith 2y ago
  It's how about 2/3rds of the US works. About 1/3rd of Americans have an employment arrangement which requires just cause or other factor which makes it not at will employment.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  Not all states have at will employment. And government employees in particular are typically protected from "at will" and instead should be fired for cause. That's why gov jobs offer greater job security, while paying less than in the private sector.
ipython 2y ago
“Things many of the doge staffers are too young to have experienced yet” This I think pervades the zeitgeist of the moment. Regardless of age, we have fabulously wealthy (mostly men) who have experienced little to no suffering in life. Now they come into power and bring that arrogant attitude you have before life shows you that it owes you nothing. I used to think “why do I pay school taxes” when I bought my first house, before I had kids. I used to think “why does anyone need help” before I lost my house to a forced short sale. I used to think “who cares about healthcare” and then my wife almost died of sepsis contracted through surgery for breast cancer. Too many people in charge have zero empathy because their lived experience is becoming fabulously wealthy and pretty much nothing else. No wonder we are living in a terrible timeline.
- pfannkuchen 2y ago
  > who have experienced little to no suffering in life Money is basically coupons that let you tell someone else to do something instead of you doing it. Is all suffering in life removable by telling other people to do things? I don’t think so. Certainly some things, but probably not even a majority, let alone all. In fact I think a common pattern is where someone chases money for years, gets it, and then realizes it doesn’t actually solve most of their problems.
  - ipython 2y ago
    I didn’t say money didn’t remove their suffering, only that they managed to become fabulously wealthy without encountering any suffering along the way, mostly cause they’re so young when they become wealthy.
    - pfannkuchen 2y ago
      The words you are saying here are qualitatively different from the words you said in your original post. Like there are no explicit (i.e. directly stated by the words and not implied) contradictions between the two, but it just squeaks by on that account and there are implied contradictions.

fastball 2y ago

Didn't they offer some sort of buyout severance deal?

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russdill 2y ago
The deal says that if they have no legal standing to make any challenges once signing. If they decide to not pay them, they have signed away any legal remedy
ipython 2y ago
Probationary employees are fired afaik without any severance, as they are not yet covered by worker protections. Even those who do accept the “buyout” may be unpleasantly surprised in March with the looming government shutdown and corresponding lapse in appropriations. https://apnews.com/article/trump-firing-probation-workforce-buyouts-layoffs-doge-159a6de411622c2eb651016b1e99da37 https://apnews.com/article/trump-firing-probation-workforce-...
AngryData 2y ago
Only if you believe a non-official email that involves signing away all legal rights to any recourse you might take against them both before and after leaving, which includes your severance pay which nobody has authorized or found a source for.

ExoticPearTree 2y ago

I take it you’re not american? This is how the US works: at will employment: one day you have a job, the next you don’t.

jarsin 2y ago
The sympathy for an insanely bloated bureaucracy that has put generations into massive tax debt is baffling to say the least. If I sued everytime I got laid off and posted a bunch of wahmbulance crap on linkedin I would never get hired again.
- eesmith 2y ago
  Trump added $7.8 trillion to the debt in his first term, which is about 25% of the debt. Congress after Congress has borrowed from the Social Security Trust Fund while lowering taxes. And you want to place all the blame on "an insanely bloated bureaucracy" when there are fewer federal employees now than 40 years ago, despite the 35% increase in population?
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  do your homework the deficit doesn't stem from an increase in federal employment
unsnap_biceps 2y ago
public jobs historically have had the most protections against mass firings. It weights in on the calculus to take a lower paid job in public sector in exchange for very high stability.
eesmith 2y ago
It's how about 2/3rds of the US works. About 1/3rd of Americans have an employment arrangement which requires just cause or other factor which makes it not at will employment.
insane_dreamer 2y ago
Not all states have at will employment. And government employees in particular are typically protected from "at will" and instead should be fired for cause. That's why gov jobs offer greater job security, while paying less than in the private sector.

ipython 2y ago

“Things many of the doge staffers are too young to have experienced yet” This I think pervades the zeitgeist of the moment. Regardless of age, we have fabulously wealthy (mostly men) who have experienced little to no suffering in life. Now they come into power and bring that arrogant attitude you have before life shows you that it owes you nothing. I used to think “why do I pay school taxes” when I bought my first house, before I had kids. I used to think “why does anyone need help” before I lost my house to a forced short sale. I used to think “who cares about healthcare” and then my wife almost died of sepsis contracted through surgery for breast cancer. Too many people in charge have zero empathy because their lived experience is becoming fabulously wealthy and pretty much nothing else. No wonder we are living in a terrible timeline.

pfannkuchen 2y ago
> who have experienced little to no suffering in life Money is basically coupons that let you tell someone else to do something instead of you doing it. Is all suffering in life removable by telling other people to do things? I don’t think so. Certainly some things, but probably not even a majority, let alone all. In fact I think a common pattern is where someone chases money for years, gets it, and then realizes it doesn’t actually solve most of their problems.
- ipython 2y ago
  I didn’t say money didn’t remove their suffering, only that they managed to become fabulously wealthy without encountering any suffering along the way, mostly cause they’re so young when they become wealthy.
  - pfannkuchen 2y ago
    The words you are saying here are qualitatively different from the words you said in your original post. Like there are no explicit (i.e. directly stated by the words and not implied) contradictions between the two, but it just squeaks by on that account and there are implied contradictions.